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35th, I cringe at the very mention of those names😵‍💫

SB I have never connected Trump with Hitler in any way. They have nothing in common. I dislike both of the current candidates, one more than the other, but I believe both are unfit. And I am concerned with how they can get through four years. I also dislike Tapper and Hannity. Extremists…

In Nov I am writing-in Eisenhower. I know this is unusual. I have been trying to contact him. He maybe be answering via my Ouija board. I feel much better about things.

Tort, keep your eyes open.. you still may see the light.💡😉

More on the SS

"The Secret Service lost some of its former respect after a string of fence-jumping incidents, other security lapses, and discipline issues came to light during the Obama administration. At the beginning of the Trump administration, a senior special agent in the Secret Service came under fire for suggesting in a Facebook post that she wouldn't "take a bullet" for Trump. Kerry O'Grady, the former agent in question, was placed on administrative leave but was allowed to retire with full benefits and her security clearance intact.

Others fired from the agency over discipline issues have lost their security clearances and at least part of their retirement benefits, spurring resentment among some in the Secret Service community.

The agency, more recently, has come under scrutiny for its diversity, equity, and inclusion policies after the female agent's apparent mental breakdown at Joint Base Andrews.

An agency spokesman called the issue a "medical incident," but other members of the Secret Service launched a petition over the agency's DEI hiring and vetting policies during the Biden administration, as first reported by RCP.

Cheatle, in 2021, signed onto a new initiative to increase the number of women in the Secret Service workforce. The agency is one of numerous federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies that have signed onto the 30x30 initiative, an effort to increase the representation of women in all ranks of policing across the country to 30% of the workforce by 2030."

Subject: GOP Was Investigating Secret Service Before Assassination Attempt | RealClearPolitics


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" MSNBC pulled its flagship AM program "Morning Joe" from airing on Monday in the wake of the assassination attempt on former President Trump.

Viewers who tuned in expecting to see the staunchly anti-Trump program, hosted by Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, were greeted instead by continued NBC News special reporting on the attempt on Trump's life on Saturday. A spokesperson said "Morning Joe" will resume airing on Tuesday.

According to a CNN report, a person familiar with the decision said it was made in part over fear that one of the show's many guests over a 4-hour broadcast "might make an inappropriate comment on live television that could be used to assail the program and network as a whole.""

Subject: MSNBC yanks anti-Trump 'Morning Joe' off air following assassination attempt | Fox News


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Congress is too dysfunctional to investigate anything. Their moral authority is also at a low ebb. My bi-partisan opinion. I think Cheatle has got to go after this. The SS is one job where politics cannot intrude, and everyone has to be at the top of their game always. There is no room for error.

All signs point to yes…

Tort we do agree on the Secret Service. I'd add the FBI to that as well. Those agencies need to try and be above reproach. I'd add the Justice department, but what hope??

Some Hate Filled Hollywood examples

Subject: 16 Times Hollywood Celebs Fantasized About Violence Against Trump, Compared Him to Hitler


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Fox has counterparts for many of those people, extreme views instead of news on both sides.

I shall now attempt to contact Huntley, Brinkley, and Cronkite.

Cronkite was partisan as well. 😉

Yes, but Walter was not seen that way by most people, he was like a member of the family to many. I named him mostly out of nostalgia.

His experiences in Vietnam shaped his changing opinion there as he reported what he saw. At first he had followed the government line. But the Tet Offensive began to change him.He also respected the Fairness Doctrine, later pulled during the Reagan era. But it was really mostly the far right who were critical, probably with some justification. Nixon used Agnew to go after the press, Roger Ailes got the idea for what became Fox News around that time. But it all seems tame compared to today.

Hollywood actors are attention seekers and say terrible self righteous things in many cases. Except for DeNiro, I don't like the work of any of those people cited either and their remarks are not rational.

Some general comments as someone who has been to an executive protection school as local law enforcement:

The plain clothes USSS contingents assigned to a principal are not large when you consider that they have to cover 24/7/365.

Federal agents of all stripes and from all locations are pulled in to work protection details. I was teamed up with a USSS field agent from 300 miles away who was pulled in for a POTUS detail. It could just as easily been an FBI agent from 300 miles away in the opposite direction. That's why I don't believe anyone was pulled off Trump's detail for Biden's. They would have pulled a fed from somewhere else. It happens all of the time during campaign season.

The USSS could not do it's job without local law enforcment. They simply do not have the staffing to do everything that needs to be done.

Having worked protection details for various senators, governors, two sitting presidents, as well as multiple dignitaries and people of celebrity status, what is more surprising is that things almost always go off without a hitch.

Well said 79th, thanks for the insight.

Some new:

"Sheriff says building used by shooter "wasn't our responsibility"
A Pennsylvania sheriff said his agency wasn't responsible for protecting or securing the building that the shooter used to attack Saturday's rally.

CBS Pittsburgh station KDKA-TV reporter Andy Sheehan asked Butler County Sheriff Michael Slupe if there was enough communication from the Secret Service about securing the building.

"I can't speak to that because, you know, as far as the building goes, I don't know because it wasn't our responsibility, but they did have a very good briefing," Slupe told KDKA-TV. "And, like I said earlier, somewhere along the line, you have a briefing and you identify, adapt and overcome. And there are a lot of well-trained police officers that totally have the ability to do that."

Asked if there was a plan to secure the building, Slupe said, "I have no idea about that. I have no idea. I don't."

Slupe also said his agency wasn't asked to sweep the building.

"No, the sheriff's office was not asked to do that, and I don't know whose responsibility that would have been if that was in their plan," he said."

Ok they spotted him 30 minutes before shooting and was reported twice. One said on the roof, but no gun. Ok 30 minutes and nothing is done? No Rifle? How did he get it then, once on the roof? Also another story says no ladder. How did he get up there? If there was a ladder, was he hauling it around? Was it already up there? Either way, no one does anything??? Also at least 44 people spot him up there, yelling and telling the police. Nothing?

Subject: Alleged Trump shooter spotted by law enforcement nearly 30 minutes before shots fired, sources say


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I just heard head of SS refuses to resign. 😡

What a shock – but a good demonstration of the kind of shamelessness we've all gotten used to in public life over the last thirty years. The frank corruption and naked self-interest of most politicians is one reason people show so little shock at Trump's coarser tendencies.

The truly remarkable thing about it is his reaction- and the way it was captured in photographic media. I've always been skeptical of Trump as a personality, but a lot of people who were mildly hostile or indifferent to him seem to have been genuinely struck by the fact that he came up fighting. I can't tell you how many people (not usually veterans themselves) I've heard sneer at Trump as "bone spurs," but you have to give the guy his due: his reaction did not betray cowardice.

One other thing that does do is put another crack in the increasingly hard-to-sustain image of him that his opponents have been at some pains to construct in recent years. As you can tell from some of our resident Trump-haters, this generates some cognitive dissonance: the picture we typically get of the man in the media is sharply at odds with what everyone just saw. The more people who have a favorable reaction, the more possible it becomes to imagine one- and you have to wonder whether this is the kind of event that could precipitate a preference cascade.

I'm curious to see whether the narrative that started to crack up in the debates continues to fragment, or whether his opponents succeed in plastering over the cracks and sustaining it.

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This gets worse and worse, 35th. Trumps protection is as a candidate and an ex president. Especially these days, it should be competent and reliable, along the lines of 79th's experience. The sheriff interview you gave us indicated that planning and coordination were cursory at best. And then, repeatedly seeing this guy, "calling it in" or not, nobody took responsibility for actually going after him.

And now we have a stream of anti-Democratic party and Biden conspiracy theories on social media ramping up tension even more, and the possibility of another unstable individual, or several, seeking revenge. Four minutes after the shots, X featured a post about "Biden's Antifa". At eight minutes, "I guess they really do want war"

Heads need to roll, but more importantly, going forward, protection has to be as certain as it can be. They know how to do it. Get focused and do the job.

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I will say there are conspiracies theories the other way as well. Those saying Trump staged this. I have read those on the media and my cousin has a liberal friend who voiced that belief yesterday. Those blaming Trump (only) for the rhetoric that caused his own shooting. Lastly the worst of all; those saying they wished the assassin had been successful.

Here are 2 more examples of the extremist. You can listen to the video and the laughing and applause.

Subject: SICK: Actor Jack Black's Bandmate Says "Don't Miss Trump Next Time" on Stage (VIDEO) by Anthony Scott

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Yes the "staged" theories are ridiculous… more Hollywood @#$& also.

The ignorance of thinking that violent crime like this would actually be a good thing on any level is really the pits, but this is part of how bad things have gotten. As I said before, Trump is part of America today, people care about him and believe him. Taking that away is a horrible, ignorant act from which no good can come.

Again, why did the Sec Svc deem the roof the shooter was on was too steep to use ? I just heard a report that said just that. Too steep ? Regardless, a good terrain eval would have that structure within 150 yds of target at least be secured by LEOs on the ground.

Things were made worse that even when people near the shooter on the roof yelled to LEOs in the area. And the LEOs just didn't have the time[or training] to react properly.

Hindsight is 20:20 however :

The shooter never should have got on the roof if the structure was properly secured.

Were there not enough Sec Svc and/or LEOs to properly secure the entire area required ?

There must have been some sort of coordination between the Sec Svc and local LEOs(?).

Were the locals not properly trained or experienced ?

Why were there not any Sec Svc or local LEOs drones in the air ?

The Dir. of Sec Svc will have to go in front of Congress to answer some questions. Was this Dir a DEI hire ? Was she hired because of her sex vs. her capabilities ? We have seen too much of that going in our current gov't. Waaay too much …

She may end up on the blame line and what will the gov't actually do as she is a female ? Are they now considered a minority/protected class ?

Just so they can do the job effectively. I don't care anything about their sex, race, religion, etc.

Legion, yes pretty much the questions we have been asking in this thread since it happened. Some are in the links above posted since the assassination.

Sad days. 😔

It was an easy shot to make a hit. Trump is alive in my opinion because…

1. Shooter probably didn't zero his weapon.

2. Shooter probably aimed at Trump's head instead of center mass.

3. Shooter probably lacked breathing control.

4. Shooter was probably shaking a little from muscle exertion after climbing onto roof.

5 Shooter probably jerked the trigger instead of squeezing it.

6. Shooter was probably shaking a little from excitement and knowing he was facing his imminent demise or incarceration.

Does anyone know if the rifle was a long barrel or a short carbine style AR?

Did the rifle have a scope or iron sights?

Some other possibilities, loose hand guards or loose retention pins holding the upper and lower receiver together.

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Subject: Secret Service boss blames 'sloped roof' for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin: 'There's a safety factor'


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Subject: US received intel of Iranian plot to assassinate Trump, CNN reports | Reuters

🤔Sort of Begs the question why the potential president and not the current president? What does that say about who they really fear?

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This is specifically about Soleimani, not Biden vs Trump. Iran considers his killing a crime committed by Trump. Ironic, considering the blood on Iran's hands.

I don't think Iran cares who the president is. The only thing they can't evade is a military strike, which we are not likely to do. And they develop their nukes no matter.

The kid got on the roof. Agents could handle the same risk. My advice to Cheatle. If you can't say anything rational about this, don't speak. Just resign before it gets any worse.

Maybe someday we will find out what the shooter's motive was. So far, he seems like a perfectly normal low-achiever, not an angry Lee Harvey type. The lack of information is feeding the mutation of the discussion from, "wow, THAT was a real screwup" to "wait a minute…..this looks increasingly suspicious……"

But we still don't know what happened in Vegas, so don't hold your breath.

Nine pound there is so much we don't know. 😉

How was the reading of the Tennessee TS school shooters manifesto?
You know who in the Supreme Court released the roe versus Wade decision early?
Who dropped off the cocaine at the White House?

Just to name a few.

Maybe someday we'll get a truth and reconciliation commission to inquire into the doings of the FBI. I've never forgotten something Lyndon Johnson said when discussing whether members of his administration would quit over Vietnam: "no, because they know if they do, they'll be followed to the ends of the earth by two men: J. Edgar Hoover, and the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue."

The rot runs deep.

Subject: Secret Service boss blames 'sloped roof' for not putting sniper team on building used by would-be Trump assassin: 'There's a safety factor'

The roof of the barn the secret service snipers were stationed on had a steeper pitch than the building from which the assassin set up!

I know SB 😂

But sadly some people are buying these excuses. 😔

Subject: Armed man in ski mask arrested while approaching Republican National Convention perimeter in Milwaukee | Fox News

The 2nd was probably normal crime. The first is suspicious.

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Is anybody really buying these explanations? They get reported on, but they don't sound like anything but cover-up for a botched mission.

Tort, yes unfortunately. Heard a few in the MSM and some personal contacts. I've actually talked to people who believe wholeheartedly that Trump staged the assassination attempt.

This just came out after i posted the above.

Subject: BLUEANON Conspiracy: Democrats Accuse Trump of Staging His Own Assassination Attempt — Claim Trump Uses 'Fake Blood' with the Help of Secret Service | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Just watch the video in the article 🙄

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So we have the "staged"conspiracy on the left versus the "Dems did it" on the right. GP's source here is "Old Dem". You dont even need to have a real person to do conspiracy news.

But the far left does have some believers in "staged". They are starting to catch up to QAnon.

The easiest explanation, an impressionable unstable young man bought into all the hate rhetoric and decided to act on it. Secret Service leadership had multiple failures in deployment and command and control of security assets. The only reason Trump is still alive is the would be assassin was an amateur with no training.

Let's see if the hate rhetoric from both sides will diminish or get stronger…

Dragon Gunner, that is probably the most accurate speculation that one could engage in at this time.

Kids from his HS said he was asked to leave the rifle team because he was such a bad shot.

Tort, any time there is an assassination, there are always those who believe a conspiracy took place. Always. The longer this drags out with no heads rolling and the more contradictory and ridiculous excuses come out, the more those conspiracy theories will brew.

"We didn't place Sniper there because the roof was sloped" Come on! Did you see where the other snipers were stationed? Those roofs had much more slope! 🙄

Now his parents called the police about him that day. What did they suspect and why? They knew he left with the rifle.

Subject: Thomas Crooks' parents 'called the cops on the day of the Trump rally shooting' | Daily Mail Online

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Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "New video emerges from Butler County, after assassination attempt. t.co/8rprJEqP7G / X


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If I were the Potus, I would immediately do the following to get on top of this.
Force the head of the SS to resign.
Whoever was the senior federal security planner at the event would be forced to resign immediately too.
Any agents who were seen in a state of Discombobulation, would be reviewed and a decision made to keep them or fire them.
I would request that the state and city governments do the same.

Lastly, showing that I was leading the charge for a more civil political environment and discourse, I
would immediately announce pardons for Trump from all current political prosecutions.

I would no longer refer to him as a "threat to democracy" and ask other to do the same. Then I'd ask that he and his followers, no longer be referred to a Nazis by those in my party and the MSM.

I would then ask Trump to offer similar concessions.

Subject: Biden: ‘It was a mistake' to use ‘bull's-eye' in remarks about Trump – YouTube

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Based on his neighbors' memories of him, the late Mr. Crooks does not seem like a conspiracy-maker's tool of choice for either a "head shot on the first round" or a "just graze him and make it look like the nearest of near misses" strategy.

It will be interesting to know what his parents told the police when they reported him missing.

🤔 maybe it was a body double. Or maybe AI. Maybe there was no rally at all and it was all staged on a set… just like the moon landing. Maybe Trump isn't real at all! This is all part of the one world government, keeping us all in line.🤪 😜

Subject: MSNBC Pushes Script That Trump Was Not Hit By A Bullet | OutKick


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The number of indications law enforcement seem to have had (by this account) is hard to credit.

Nine pound this is one of the articles I linked above.

Yes they labeled him as suspicious as long as 3 hours before hand. More is reported daily.

Is DEI hiring one of the reasons for the SNAFO situations? One has to ask.

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Whenever you select for anything other than the essential qualities, you compromise your system. Systems are more resilient than they generally get credit for being, and the big ones have a long history of surviving the Fredos and the relatives and ex-girlfriends and whatnot that they have always had unloaded on them. It was one thing to hire and keep some incompetent people; it's another to systematically select and advance people while consciously deemphasizing competence.

Presumably, we will soon get the chance to find out.

MSNBC Pushes Script That Trump Was Not Hit By A Bullet

This network should be on the Comedy Channel…along with The View.

Yes Legion and look who is leading the staged chant.

Subject: Joy Reid Implies Attempted Assassination of Donald Trump Was Staged | OutKick


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A little has finally leaked about the assassin

Subject: ‘Shouldn't You Hate Trump?': Former Classmate Recounts Being Called ‘Stupid' For Backing Trump By Would-Be Assassin |l


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I would not expect a full medical report, but a statement about the wound would have allayed concerns. Joy Reid is pretty tough to take, but one of the guys going after her refers to Biden as a "Mush brain of a sitting president." I think it's impossible for either side to find the high road at this point.

As I recall, correct me if I am wrong, Marjorie Taylor Greene once posted a picture of herself with an AR15 and pics of the Squad, saying something about going on the offensive against these socialists. There are plenty of examples of this stuff on both sides. Maybe civil war is for real. But it's not likely the will of the majority. I think people have had enough of this and the anxiety is worse than ever.

35th, I don't think pardons can be issued without an admission of guilt, or maybe it's that a pardon is considered an admission of guilt. Instead of delaying going to trials, why not go to court and prove they are witch-hunts? That would expose the rot in the system in its own home court. The power of being innocent and proving it goes a long way in restoring faith in someone in my book.

Yep a medical report would be nice, but we did see it all live. Maybe Trump should say: "I will release it when Joe takes a cognitive test and makes the results public". 😉

But that is looking more and more unlikely, as it looks like the Democrats are in the process of staging a coup. Top Democrats telling him to quit and now issues with his VP.

If they want him out, use the 25th. This way they are overturning the will of their voters in the primaries. Does not seem too Democratic to me.

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