"how to prepare for the next civil war" Topic

Yes as I have said, and we have seen the anti-Trump forces will do anything and everything to slow the process of anything he tries to do. There is a small well-funded left-wing liberal woke progressive socialists, etc. movement that hates Trump so much. They will try to stop him doing things that are or will actually help/support we the people. Plus much of the media are not real supporters of Trump either.

These 5th columnists are not there to do things to help the USA. But to stay in power … That is all they care about.

Legion +1

I think we all agree that we want the illegal criminals and gangs out of the US. But the Supreme Court has said that even foreigners have the right of Due Process. I want to see Trump follow the law and Due Process to remove them. This can be done. Trump removed 2.5 million illegals in his first term without challenge.

I want Due Process to protect me. Someday there will be a very far left president. If Trump opens the door to not following law or Due Process then this president may look at a small Christian denomination that opposed abortion or thinks Homosexuality is a sin and is against tran-genderism and he/she calls them domestic terrorists and then kicks them out of the country or locks them up as the far left cheers and say about time. If these judges are stopping Trump because he is not following law or due process then I support them. However, if they are just trying to stick it to Trump cuz they don't like him then I certainly would oppose that.

I want to see Trump follow the law and Due Process to remove them.

He has been. He pursued normal deportation processes and then the Democrats and allied judges blocked it. So he invoked the Alien Enemies Act, and now they have again issues a ruling to block it.

However, if they are just trying to stick it to Trump cuz they don't like him then I certainly would oppose that.

The rest of your worries are hyperbole. Trump's policy history shows he's actually a traditional moderate Democrat/Republican along the lines of Truman, Ike and JFK. But the Democrats have run off the deep end of Leftism and all they gave is obstructionism.

SB…you go too far!! Ike, we need you!

Tomorrow is Tesla Takedown Friday.. let's see what happens. 🔥?

I want Due Process to protect me.

Illegal aliens, Green Card holders etc. don't have the same rights as US citizens. That is a fact. Not just a good idea. The second most important point is in this situation. Millions of illegal aliens including criminals of all type were illegally sanctioned by many in the US Gov't. I.e. million came across the border. Because the former POTUS, VP, Dems and their wealthy left-wing, liberal, woke progressive socialist globalist, etc. that supported these politicians literally had a "coup". One can't say it was a "bloodless clue". Not with all the US citizens that died by the actions of many of the illegal aliens. The POTUS, et al has buckets of blood on their hands. Because of their policies, agenda, etc.

The open border policy was illegal … The POTUS was mentally incapable of being in office. The Dems and media knew this … allowed it.

A wealthy well connected intellectual college grad minority of liberal left woke progressive etc. activists push an agenda. A narrative that in reality the people the Gov't was supposed to take care of were overlooked and lied too. Many laws were broken. Too many of we the people were negatively affected, etc.

The POTUS should have actually been Art. 25(IIRC). But the Dems boxed themselves in by picking a generally ineffective candidate for POTUS. Who tried to run 3 times before. He was not even well thought of by the POTUS when he was VP. Nor by others in DC.

They picked the VP using their favorite go to method – DEI …

But the Dems, their wealthy woke progressive supporter had to stay in power. To change the USA into the USSA …

The threat to democracy was from within …

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Legion,

I never said they had the same rights as Americans and I would not assume they would. I said the Supreme Court has ruled that they do have due process rights. That was the point of what I wrote. I would want the government to follow that so that, in the future, we don't have a leader who does not give due process to Americans.

"Due process" for illegals

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Now those who let the millions in…. Illegally…. Mostly unvetted, now are concerned about legal processes when these "illegals" are being sent back?

Currently the majority of them, are criminals and violent gang members.

I am not forgetting the ones who are anti-semites and mouth pieces for Islamic terrorists.

Then I think of our citizens who have been murdered, robbed, rapped, tortured or killed or maimed by illegals in auto accidents. People like Rachel Morin and Jocelyn Nungaray. Were they given "due process" before they were brutally rapped and murdered? They were actual citizens, entitled to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Well, until some individuals decided it was more important to allow an invasion, for whatever nefarious purposes.

From 2024

"WASHINGTON — Federal numbers released Friday show that more than 15,000 illegal immigrants currently living in the US are convicted or accused of homicide"

Pardon me if I should NO tears for the "due process" of those who broke our laws to enter our country.. illegally. I am just sorry the flights are not faster.

Maybe send a few federal judges to El Salvador as well. 😡

My issue with this is that I want the bad guys out of here, but I don't like the look of defying judges who serve as a check on abuse of power. It not unreasonable to require that the deportations be delayed briefly, detaining the bad guys and answering a judge's questions to make sure that Trump's action are legally sustainable.

I think they are regarding proven criminals. But just answer the judge. Blaming everything on previous Dems looks a lot like fearmongering and scape-gloating when it becomes the answer to everything. It's not always the fault of the same old boogey men. Liberals are not "scum" any more than conservatives.

Legion there is more than a "minor civil war" brewing, I think. Not a shooting war, but a political resistance that may unite more of the center with actual liberals. If they find a leader from the middle…. But right now the Dems are no threat to anyone.

Sadly I have seen what these "judges" do. I saw violent criminals released back into the public, to kill and rape again. In NYC, SF and other major cities. We heard it almost weekly for 4 years. Blue Judges and Soros backed DA's. Backed by groups like the ACLU. Also they did nothing but delay for the four previous years of Trumps administration. Waiting out the 2 years and 4 year terms. Delay, delay and hope for more Democrats to be elected.

These are almost all taking place in blue judicial districts. We know why.

So I honestly have very little confidence in their "rulings based on the law". IMHO, they are activists before being judges of the law.

Please convince me I have misjudged them and am wrong about what was happening in the last 4 years in those cities.

35th we disagree here – IMO: There is no one who has used delay in court to better advantage than Trump, with his revolving army of lawyers. Its Trump's Supreme Court. Let them decide these serious questions. Let the evidence you describe be sanctioned by them. We need reform everywhere, and we all know things have gone wrong too many times.

The constant attacking, personal or otherwise, of judges Trump disagrees with makes the country look like our system is collapsing, which it most definitely was not these last four years- this from an independent with no love for Dems. Trump was President throughout 2020, not one of our better years.

The constant attacking, personal or otherwise, of judges Trump disagrees with makes the country look like our system is collapsing,

Nah -- this ever flowing river of overreach lawsuits and orders by judges is an attack on the Constitutional Republic. Do we have a president or are we now ruled by a blizzard of conflicting court orders?

As I remember, the decisions of this Supreme Court, have been challenged by the other side even more heavily. Even to the point of address leakage and protestors "illegally" outside their homes and threats to their liives.

As much as the Federal judiciary system was and has been used against Trump, i don't blame his challenges.

I obviously remember 2016 through 2020 more fondly. 😉

+5 SB

Well, not everyone remembers 2020 very fondly. – clearly you lucked into a decent supply of toilet paper, 35th!

SB…there are plenty of challenges for the judiciary in this atmosphere. Nobody sues or gets sued more than the Prez. Talk about overreach….his life is one long court case, long before he was elected up to this minute. More than 4000 legal cases before 2016 and 100 tax disputes in court.

I never said they had the same rights as Americans and I would not assume they would.

Yes that is the case. They don't have the same rights.

I said the Supreme Court has ruled that they do have due process rights. That was the point of what I wrote.

Yes, but that is the rub. How long does it take to give thousands due process. Just like with allowing illegal alien in without vetting. Just catch and release. And tell them to come back in a few years for a hearing.

Of course the border should never have been opened by the POTUS, etc. in the first place. How would you properly vet 20 million illegal aliens in a timely manner. You can't.
Which they must of known. But it was part of their agenda to let these millions of illegal in as fast as possible. And then somehow give them the right to vote in National Elections. Some time in the near future. There is no other logical reason to do this … No matter what some may say.

I would want the government to follow that so that, in the future, we don't have a leader who does not give due process to Americans.

Yes, I agree … but we don't see that as the case currently or most likely never will. So we are talking Apples[illegal aliens] and Oranges[USA citizens] …

SBm +

OVI +1

there is more than a "minor civil war" brewing, I think.

Maybe … but I think the lines are drawn – Dems vs. the GOP.

Not a shooting war, but a political resistance that may unite more of the center with actual liberals.

No shooting but the many of the Dems[not all] are left-wing liberal woke progressives, etc. They are a very wealthy, very vocal minority running that party.

If they find a leader from the middle…. But right now the Dems are no threat to anyone.

Well good luck with finding a Great DEI hope for the Dem to appear. As long as the Dems act the way they do at hearings etc. they appear to be a threat. A threat to we the people …

The Dems see MAGA the same way. Independents are growing as the old parties collapse in Trump's wake. Indies are anti-dictatorship as they see it. Mostly conservatives in that they prefer to conserve not tear down.

Hey yesterday's Tesla tantrum was fairly quiet. Less attended than they thought. I saw a few fights, but minor. No fires that I saw. Maybe catching those they identified so far and advertising throwing the book at them, made a difference.

Looks like DOGE has been invited to go into the heart of darkness, the true belly of the beast, to help audit the CIA…

Interesting take on this…

Trump's Final Move: DOGE vs. Deep State in the Intelligence Thunderdome

…For better or worse, in his first 70 days, Trump engineered this apocalyptic showdown, making it inevitable and unescapable. This really is the final battle; there will be no round 3. If Trump loses, they will make sure that nothing like this can ever happen again.

If they survive, they'll build an impenetrable fortress around the Swamp this time.

The media is frozen in panic, waiting for narrative orders that, so far, have not arrived. The people who issue those orders are now fighting for survival, instead of creeping around just out of sight. The intelligence agency's tools are covert, indirect, and obscure. It was never even an option to hold this secret war in public. How much will spill out into the open remains to be seen.

Of course, I could be completely wrong about all of this. Maybe Elon is just visiting CIA to give the Agency's budget a tiny trim. Maybe John Ratcliffe just wants some advice about improving the CIA's P.R. on X, or he wants to green the CIA by buying it some spook-friendly, James Bond-style electric cars.

But it sure looks to me like this is the final cage match. It's the Thunderdome. Two secret armies enter— one army leaves. And things will happen fast. This high-stakes battle for control of the United States government will unfold at the speed of DOGE.

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I guess I was wrong. 😔

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OVI + 1

SBm + 1

The Dems see MAGA the same way. Independents are growing as the old parties collapse in Trump's wake. Indies are anti-dictatorship as they see it. Mostly conservatives in that they prefer to conserve not tear down.

Sounds about right … plus or minus … more or less … But No +1 for you … 🥣

Yes I obviously spoke too soon

"ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico (AP) — Federal authorities are investigating a fire early Sunday that damaged the entryway to the headquarters of the Republican Party of New Mexico in Albuquerque.

Agents working with local authorities recovered unspecified "incendiary materials" at the scene, said Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives spokesperson Cody Monday. He declined to say what the materials were or to share further details."

"Barela said GOP representatives also found spray paint on the side of the building about 50 feet (15 meters) from the entrance, saying "ICE=KKK." Monday, the ATF spokesperson, declined to comment on the graffiti."

Subject: Authorities investigate damaging fire at New Mexico's GOP headquarters | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather


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Legion +1. 😉

Subject: Police: 70-Year-Old Trump Hater Purposefully Struck Musk Supporter with Car at Idaho Tesla Protest


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This sentence says it all:

"Mr. Frederick lived in Colorado until March 19 when the decision was made for him to move home to Texas to live with his parents,"

"An incendiary device was ignited and thrown at the Tesla building, landing between two vehicles," the Loveland Police Department said in a news release. "Several people inside, who were cleaning the building, were put at risk; however, our responding officer quickly extinguished the fire, preventing further harm."

I hope he figures out how to smuggle some vaseline into the pen. He looks like he will need it. 😉

Subject: Man charged in Colorado Tesla firebomb attack denies trying to ‘run' from feds | CNN


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"NON-CITIZEN Social Security numbers issued over the past four years:

270,425 in 2021.

590,193 in 2022.

964,163 in 2023.

2,095,247 in 2024. 🤯

"DOGE found that immigration gave a work authorization document to illegals just five months after they filed for asylum. That document allowed them to work while they waited to hear whether their asylum requests were being accepted or denied. So, they could work as an illegal, knowing it would take YEARS before their case was heard. The immigration department mailed them a social security number. No interview. No proof of identity, just put it in the mail…

…DOGE also discovered that 1.3 million aliens are now receiving Medicaid. MILLIONS received drivers licenses, some registered to vote and DOGE said some actually did vote."
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Scary?

Subject: 55% Of Self-Identified Leftists Say Killing Trump Is Justifiable


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Case in point

Subject: I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 on X: "PURE EVIL: Extreme leftist, while holding a sign wishing Trump dead, regrets that his assassin missed and hopes someone will try to k*ll him again. t.co/n5XexPlCQx / X

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35th, with respect, I gotta disagree with the conclusion here entirely, especially knowing the Federalist as I do via the knee jerk bias of the editor. It is misleading and deliberate, portray the left via these limited examples. It would be possible to work up the exact same article about the loonies on the right, complete with supportive examples. But I think neither side has been as bad as portrayed, considering the size of the country.

Trump/MAGA have dished out plenty of grief to the left in recent years, the shoe is now on the other foot. Some of the things Trump has said recently about tariffs and economics are just not true. I have said before, if he wants to rise to some respectable level of credibility, he needs to stop talking so much. He is driving people crazy with his patter, so that when he says something that is a good idea, we barely catch it. It's like being trapped in a room with a salesman you can't follow.

You checked the news in the last 30 minutes? 😉

Yes, Trump backed down. Which I think is good news. Finally some sanity after a lost of $11 USD Trillion to Americans in a matter of weeks.

Actually

Well unless you get things from China, looks like you have at least another 90 days.

"The tariff tit-for-tat between the U.S. and China escalated again Wednesday, with President Donald Trump saying that he is immediately raising the tariffs on Chinese goods to 125% over Beijing's "lack of respect" toward America, while pausing and lowering reciprocal tariffs on other countries.

Trump wrote that his reciprocal tariffs on other countries would be paused for 90 days, during which the tariff rate would be 10%."

Good opportunity to look outside China.

Market seems to be happy so far.

Tort, I agree these are a minority in the party. But right now they are what people see and hear. Just like Crockett, AOC and Sanders have become the current voice of the party. Their party need to stand up to them and denounce them.

I posted that link of the woman yesterday, but there were 3 more in less than 30 minutes.

Subject: Breaking911 on X: "WATCH: Rep. Byron Donalds, (R-FLa.), shouted down by leftist voters after he attempted to have a conversation with them regarding the issues "I'm gonna be your Governor, trust me," Donalds said. t.co/pZ3Rup9Tdz / X

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Subject: Derrick Evans on X: "🚨BREAKING: Pro-Palestine protestors have just stormed the Grand Central Terminal in New York City. It's past time to hold these people accountable. t.co/d3hWYXHAjr / X

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Subject: I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 on X: "Deranged leftist writes ‘Nazi Scum' in chalk in front of a Trump-supporting neighbor's home. t.co/7wld0b6W5V / X

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Than Crockett yesterday.

Subject: Collin Rugg on X: "NEW: Rep. Jasmine Crockett suggests the United States needs illegal immigrants because "we done picking cotton." Crockett made the argument that the U.S. needs immigrants for farming while speaking at Grace Baptist Church in Connecticut. "So I had to go around the country and t.co/DUEZ4PskEg / X

Why does she always ghetto her speaking when the crowd is black? She is not the only one who does it. I've heard her speak elsewhere and she does not speak that way, more like an Ivy League graduate. I would find that demeaning.

I would find the whole speech demeaning if I were an immigrant. "We need you to pick our cotton"!?

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Lastly I'll say we saw this all in his first administration, "mostly peaceful protests"😉

Now again since election.

I don't see the other side doing this. The best anyone has is "what about January 6th?".

I think the current voices of the party, and there really are none that represent it left, will be replaced by emerging leaders, but AOC will be around, like MTG. The other side has only one voice. Crockett is not a spokesperson for the majority of Dems.

The immediate question..did Trump's public advice to buy stock hours before he suspended the tariffs break the law? While he cannot be prosecuted, this appears to be an actual crime. Trillions were sucked out of the market during the chaos. Who got all those buyback profits?

Tort I knew this new media talking point would come out today. 😂 I didn't think it would be you. I figured the usual people. Dam#ed for the tariffs and now dam#ed for the pause! 😉 No thanks for "Trump the Merciful". 😉

Got to have that 80 plus percent negative stories.

I even saved the story when it came out last night. Guess who it was? Old "Shifty". "I have inside information I'm going to release." "Russian Collusion!!".

If there is insider trading, trust me, Nancy's husband will be right there. Could Congress men and women have taken advantage? Sure. Will anything happen? Has it ever?

Subject: Collin Rugg on X: "BREAKING: Senator Adam Schiff says he will be investigating if there was insider trading with the Trump announcement on pausing tariffs. Not much of a secret when the president tweets to the entire world to "BUY" 3 hours before the announcement. "I'm writing to the White t.co/7ZJxgoQRSf / X


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I did not know until yesterday, that the Trump assassin in Florida, tried to buy a Stinger to shoot down the Presidents plane or helicopter.

I can't believe that I agree with Rivera. They will take my conservative card away😱
Tort, I said on TMP a few days ago, I was using my spare money to buy while stocks were down. Warren Buffet says he keeps loads of money around to do the same. 🤔 instead of giving it to me! 🤬

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Tort, I did some studying this morning.

If you make an announcement publicly about buying stock, that is not insider trading. Especially since the market did not turn up until after his public announcement.

I'm not a lawyer, but what I read and just heard too. 🙂

35th, in thinking about this, I am not sure what Trump meant to do here, could give him some benefit of the doubt. I don't know what you might call the public announcement, but I think the salient point here was that only Trump knew what he was about to do several hours later, which was bound to drive the market back up. I am not sure what this kind of manipulation is really called.

This whole thing is way out of my range of experience, having never had enough money to invest. And I am surely no financial lawyer. I have no doubt that various elites benefited, though.

Yes, Trump backed down. Which I think is good news. Finally some sanity after a lost of $11 USD USD Trillion to Americans in a matter of weeks.

Trump backed down?? Nice spin -- more like WINNING!

Trump announced from the start that the tariffs were designed to be reciprocal and get other countries to negotiate better trade deals with lower reciprocal tariffs or even zero tariffs. This is true of the tariffs with Mexico and Canada to prod them to help with border security and stopping illegal migrant and drug flows, and with these tariffs. Within a few short days scores and scores of nations, including major trading partners like Japan, Korea, India, etc. are at the negotiating table to reduce their tariffs in US goods and services. So the 90-day pause is the given negotiation period, and the 10% tariffs left in place are a reminder to complete the deals.

However, it looks like Trump's tariffs on China are different and are intended to isolate China and decouple them from their major global trade partners, to pressure China and recognize the defacto Cold War that exists, and to stop paying China to try and take over the world. Maybe Trump also senses the CCP is weak and is trying to push them into collapse.

35th, in thinking about this, I am not sure what Trump meant to do here,

It's pretty damned obvious -- Trump was being bombarded with negativity, the Democrats and the Media (but I repeat myself) were screaming the SKY IS FALLING, look how awful Trump is, yadda yadda, and he basically told people to quit panicking and don't bet against America. In fact, go BUY!

Speaking of tariffs . This is needed badly.

Subject: Swiss Pharma Company Announces $23 USD Billion U.S. Investment

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SB – yes he told people to go buy, and gave them some time, then he suspended the tariffs. He must have know the market would respond immediately. But maybe not really a plan. I don't know.

He has put the usual winning spin on everything. But he has trouble articulating what he is doing and why. And since nobody really understood what his tariff plans meant, his polls numbers are back down to first term levels while we wait to see what happens.

The Swiss Pharma news is sort of emblematic of the way things are being framed. Either through tariffs or the much higher costs of US labor, Americans will pay more for these drugs. But this is small potatoes.

Keeping labor costs down is more important than ever in the face of these import taxes, which will simply be passed on to consumers. And the national debt will remain an issue. A single year of federal financial support for American soy bean farmers will cost more than the entire Swiss investment.

The stock market took an historic hit. So yea, the media and pretty much everyone else are worried.

My My. How attitudes do change. 😉

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Quick statement. The pharmaceutical company is just one. There have been many other announcements. But the pharmaceuticals are of immense importance. We HAVE to get them out of China!

FWIW, many "experts"[Gordon Chang] report China's economy is nowhere near are "robust" as the USA's. By the US and others buying from other nations or producing at home. Will negatively impact the Chicoms. Once again, all they will have is numbers. And as we know from history, they will be willing to sacrifice large mounts of them. E.g. invading Taiwan …

Agree 35th, but they also have to be available and affordable. I cannot get Truth Social to open, BTW. Maybe it's been blocked in MA!