"how to prepare for the next civil war" Topic

Apropos of nothing at all, does anyone truly believe that Biden topped Obama's vote record, under 2020 conditions, without a particle of fraud?

Biden was a political also-ran from 1988 to 2008, a perennial hungry candidate for the Presidency at every opportunity, who might have broken double digits in the primaries. His reputation was better than Harris's, but his chairmanships were the product of seniority and the general attitude toward him among the DC crowd was good-natured tolerance of an amiable machine politician, not ferocious admiration.

Obama, like him or hate him, was a genuine political phenomenon: I saw the crowds in DC on Inauguration Day in 2009. There's no denying that he created a genuine excitement and a mood that won him a record vote total. You don't have to believe any of Trump's claims after the 2020 election to look at the differences in the vote totals, and the locations, and think that something was fundamentally implausible about the result.

I just don't agree. There is plenty of research supporting other opinions and telling me you are not entirely correct. Common sense is in the eye of the beholder. SF represents….SF, not every blue city. The fact that we use these labels now and make them part of how we represent our core beliefs tells me that we will continue to tear ourselves apart.

My opinion…I came to understand a while ago that there are genuine feelings of grievance on the right underpinning the new conservatism and realized that I also felt a lot of that anguish. But I do not like how this was manipulated into a strident and absolute political movement. I am not sure that fighting this is just as much of a conservative act as supporting it is.

I do not trust or believe the new regime…even less than the last one. And I don't want to fight my relatives over who puts on the better circus. We could level Iran in an hour, but we cannot stop calling each other names. This is the weakness our foreign opponents see and support. But we don't need their help.

So maybe a new civil war game is an insult to what we have been, or maybe it helps teach us what we have become. Everyday Americans on both sides deserve more respect. The real gangs are apolitical wealthy elites who buy up the government and everything else.

Tort this talk comes from both sides. I have a large group of links like this.

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But of course many won't be here much longer, as they promised to leave the country if Trump was elected. Think of all those who baled in 2016. 🙄

Most end up like this: (enjoy).

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My reply was for SB and his post…. I don't see any reason to leave, 35th. I would not expect to find a better place to live than this country no matter what happens.

Tort, I know. I'm Just posting. 🙂

I've been watching some shows just to watch the meltdowns. "The View" and Joy Reed have been great. The late shows as well. MSNBC and the Morning Show with Scarborough and Mika, are too. Yes it is a guilty pleasure of mine. "The View" all came out decked out in black one day. SNL surprised me and actually had a funny one last night.

I saw a big anti Trump protest yesterday on TV. New York? I truly believe a lot of them are paid protesters.

Yes ladies and gentlemen, get it here first!

California is now at a whopping 66.15 percent of votes counted!!
Arizona at 87.18%. Utah and Maryland just a little higher.

Maybe California can reach 75% by Tuesday, a week after Election Day. I assume most of this is in the big cities. 🙄

FYI before anyone else says it, I know SNL was cutting us and Trump down. But it was still done with humor. Besides they didn't cry or scream to the heavens. But I only watched that opening, not the rest. So maybe it got bad after that.

They were hard on Biden in recent months too.

Everyday Americans on both sides deserve more respect. The real gangs are apolitical wealthy elites who buy up the government and everything else.

Yes -- and that's EXACTLY what this election was about! For his flaws and foibles, Trump is wealthy but not embedded in the Establishment. That's why they have tried so hard to destroy him. He ran and won on a reform campaign, he brought a range of non-traditional allies together -- like RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk and others. He's already announced reforms to shore up the 1st Amendment and promote the Constitution, to reduce the size and power of the Federal government and hand more decision making authority back to States and Localities (like a National School Choice program), de-politicize DOD and the Federal Bureaucracy, enact border security and so on.

Most of the hard core divisive rhetoric comes from the Left and Establishment whose power is at risk. So too does most of the talk of Civil War, with Democrat governors declaring they will "fight to protect the most vulnerable" aka Illegal Immigrants when the Feds start trying to deport criminal illegal aliens. And the recent movie "Civil War" is a Leftist fantasy in which heroic Journalists record the execution of a fantasy version of Trump. Truly nasty stuff.

So do I want Civil War? Heck noes on so many levels -- so if you're "Blue" please encourage your Blue Leaders to drop the War Talk!

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🤔 so behind closed doors. How to defend against the newly elected president. His ability to can people and use of Nukes. Also potential use of troops domestically during violent rioting(Milwaukee, Portland example in the past). Did they do this when a man who has either dementia or Alzheimer's was elected? Are their discussions now about that?

Seems like a bunch of deep stater elites worried about their jobs… or worse.

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Well, if you believe what was said during the campaign…. I don't. The next Prez is from the Sales Dept. He says a LOT of stuff. The military should wait and see. Biden did not appear ill any more than Trump in 2020, although THAT raises some issues, I guess.

Tort, actually to me, he did. I know I've said that to you before. I could see the same mannerisms, issues with his body, miscues and forgetfulness i had seen and was seeing with my father, who also had it. Joe was just behind my dad by 4 years or less.

I firmly believe that is why they hid him so much and kept him away from the public, unless he had scripted speeches, questions from specific journalists, controlled environments and a teleprompter. Also why he rarely took impromptu questions. They knew.

I certainly agreed with you soon after when this came up. I saw the same look in my father's eyes also. Trump's issues are different and his own age may become a factor. Too many mixed up comments. But hopefully he get through it.

I don't see it in him. Too much energy and I've noticed no difference in the last 2 elections. I think he's a bad debater, but a good stump speaker. He does not have the debating expertise that many of the lawyers and lifelong politicians he has run against do.

But even if he does go down the road of Biden (god forbid), I have faith in Vance. FYI, he is a darn good debater. Seems to remember everything.

JMO

Well it's early days and first impressions on some of these people. Vance is not too well known other than his book and his giant flip flop, which many others have done. But he may be more than a follower of shiny objects.

🤣 Remember when it was just 2020 Trump supporters who believed things like this?

Actually started most recently in the "hanging chads" election. But it is actually historic in US elections throughout history. Sometimes actually true (Tammany Hall, The Chicago machine, etc.)

Another one rolling around is that Harris only won in states with no Id laws. That is not true either. I will say it is closer to true than this one.

Note: these rumors started from unidentified accounts on the web. 🤔 Chinese, Russian, Iranian disinformation? 😉

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Things like this DON'T help alleviate claims like above.

One week after election, California only at 75.60%. No excuse!! Third world countries do better! Embarrassing! 🙄

The military should wait and see.

The "military" (which really means politically partisan senior officers who are proven to be sh1te at warfighting) should and carry out lawful orders they don't like because they aren't in charge. The President is their ultimate CinC. Should they push back on what is viewed as Unconstitutional orders through the normal processes ALREADY in place? Of course. But otherwise they should defer to their duly elected CinC's orders.

The Pentagon already was having meetings about what they will do if the new POTUS orders them to help with mass deportations of illegal aliens. I don't know if that is a good thing or not ? Whether in support of the mass deportation or not. But after you take the oath, you have to follow the legal orders of the POTUS, etc.

Of course, like many Americans I support mass deportations starting with the known criminals, military age males, etc. And if on the terrorist watch list, they should be sent to Gitmo.

But some of the top Pentagon officials will be replaced anyway, e.g. Austin … And maybe the Chief of the JCS, forgot his name …

The use of the military to restore or keep order is not as anomalous as it is made out to be. Army units were used to restore or keep order on multiple occasions in the 1960s; the governor of Maryland brought the Guard into Baltimore to help during the Freddie Grey riots just a few years back.

"Yes, George Washington did use federal troops as president, most notably during the Whiskey Rebellion when he personally led a militia force to quell the uprising in Western Pennsylvania, effectively demonstrating the authority of the new federal government.

By 1794 the Whiskey Rebellion threatened the stability of the new United States and challenged the authority of the democratically-elected federal government. President Washington organized a militia force of 12,950 men and personally led them towards Western Pennsylvania, warning locals "not to abet, aid, or comfort the Insurgents aforesaid, as they will answer the contrary at their peril." The calling of the militia had the desired effect of essentially ending the Whiskey Rebellion. By the time the militia reached Pittsburgh, the rebels had dispersed and could not be found. The militia apprehended approximately 150 men and tried them for treason. Limited evidence and the inability to obtain witnesses hampered the trials. Two men, John Mitchell and Philip Weigel, were found guilty of treason, though both were pardoned by President Washington. George Washington's firm actions during this crisis served to build the strength and authority of the new federal government. "

And during the Eisenhower admin, he sent elements of the 101 in GA or AL[can't remember?]. To escort and protect black children going to an all-white school … That was the correct thing to do …

With millions of illegal aliens including many criminals and terrorists, etc. roaming the US at will. This is a crisis for the American people. Again, most don't want this illegal alien invasion. It's not a few but millions. And the current admin allowed it … They invited these people. Bowing to the very woke progressive, very wealthy, very small, very vocal minority who supports the open border policies of the current US leadership.

So, I'd think that the US Military being involved along with ICE, CBP, etc. To load up the illegal aliens on C-17s with many US Military well-armed troops on board. Just in case …

BTW … There will be no movie or snacks on this flight …

If this upsets some Americans … there is the door, don't let it hit you in the on the way out …

Civil war in the United States? … it would be the shortest one in history. One side wearing their vagina hats and wielding rubber dildos and the other side with the training , guns and experience …

A previous president also suffered from dementia while in office. Reagan appointed excellent advisors and when he lost his mind his advisors basically continued to make the decisions. I suspect Biden is similar.
But Trump knows better than anyone about everything, will appoint only yes men as 'advisors', including replacing as many heads of departments (ie people who have spent a lifetime in their specialisation) with political appointees (who haven't). If Trump goes gaga in a few years the US will be in big trouble.

It is only the illegal requests for military help that will be questioned.
The firing squad for Nancy Pelosi ?

"If Trump goes gaga in a few years the US will be in big trouble"

And we aren't now? I guess it's based on one's political perspective. 😉

"including replacing as many heads of departments (ie people who have spent a lifetime in their specialisation)"

Ahh …. That's the problem. Deep state, entrenched bureaucracy. I.e. the Washington swamp. Many of whom were….. political appointees when they initially started out too.

Rarely does a politician cross party lines to appoint those on the other side. Trump has already done that. Granted they back him now, but they were Democrats before.

One thing that I bet a lot of legislators are probably concerned about is insider trading. A combination of political power, horse trading, favoritism and executive deference has allowed an awful lot of members of Congress of both parties to more or less openly trade stock while enjoying the benefits of inside knowledge gained from their positions on oversight committees. It's hiding in plain site, and it has gone unprosecuted for a wide range of reasons.

It will be interesting to see if that changes.

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And this is why the deep state needs a good cleaning.

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SB, you missed my point. Rather than assume Trump had illegal plans for them, the military should plan to carry on.

Trump's crude messaging should not be taken for policy. I doubt he would execute Pelosi. Underneath the political hot air, he is more salesman than dictator. But he deserves a chance to prove the doubters wrong. Just don't listen to his everyday remarks, see what he does.

"A good cleaning?"

More like a Fleet enema.

The new POTUS chose Pete Hegseth from FOX news. As his Sec Def. He was in the same regiment I was with in the 101. But of course, many years later.

As usual, some of the media and those in Congress, etc. are bashing him. But I'd like to ask them if they were ever in the military, served as an Infantry Officer, at Gitmo, Iraq and A'stan. Has a CIB and 2 Bronze Stars. Served over 20 years in the Army. He is currently an NG MAJ, IIRC.

Of course, don't think any of them have any of those qualifications. And he is a conservative, thinks woke, DEI, CRT, pronouns, etc. in the military is total 🐮💩. But since Trump chose him, he must be "bad" …

Amazingly Trump it appears chose people he knew were capable and had some sort of relationship with. Hmmm … who would have thought !!!? But the difference is the people Trump chose was based generally by capabilities, experience, etc. not sex, sexual preference, race, etc. Hmmm … how novel !!!!

They are doing the same to Tulsi Gabbard as she was selected for DNI. She is a LTC in the NG and served in Iraq, IIRC. That must give her some credibility. But since Trump chose her, she must be bad … just as they are doing with Hegseth …

Plus, both of them have the unforgivable sin of being conservative, don't agree with woke, DEI, CRT, etc. dogma, plus they are straight … oh and white. But Gabbard I think she is part Samoan, so she is an "indigenous people", IIRC. However, since she had joined another party, the party of Trump, she must be equivalent to Lucresia Borza, Catherine Demedici and Cruella DeVill. 😱

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The potential problem is that the picks seem like personal loyalty to the Prez, who apparently learned a lesson after the endless turnover last time, is the first consideration.

This guy is a tv personality and an unknown factor in global military command. We know he has a record as a field officer and as a tv performer. We will have to wait and see how he does. I don't call a plumber if I need my appendix out. I prefer more extensive credentials. But we don't how Americas Got Talent will work out. For all our sakes, I hope these people can cut it. Rooting out diversity training while the Russians steal Ukraine does not work for me.

" Hegseth has been a fierce advocate of "wokeness" in the military, and has suggested banning women from combat roles and firing Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. CQ Brown.

Should he be confirmed in the Senate, Hegseth would replace Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who is set to depart along with President Biden in January.

Here's what to know about his nomination:

Hegseth was an infantry officer in the Army National Guard from 2002 to 2021. After graduating from Princeton University in 2003, he went on to serve tours in Guantanamo Bay from 2004-'05, Iraq from 2005-'06, and Afghanistan from 2011-'12, according to the Army National Guard.

His military awards include two Bronze Stars, two Army Commendation Medals, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, and the expert infantryman and combat infantryman badges.

Hegseth also served as the executive director of the non-profit Vets for Freedom and CEO of Concerned Veterans for America, a Koch-backed conservative advocacy group that advocated for the privatization of veterans' care.

Hegseth has never served in government. He unsuccessfully ran for a Senate seat representing Minnesota in 2012 and was considered for the Secretary of Veteran Affairs position in Trump's first administration."

Top liberals are already whining and gnashing their teeth. (That must mean he's good). He is a staunch defender of the military and those serving.

He was not dependent on the government for his livelihood(like so so so many in there now). I'm pretty sure he makes more money between Fox, his books and other ventures. He won't be dependent on the government for future jobs.
He is a man's man, unlike so many in office positions recently.

So NOT a deep state swamp rat. 🐀

Want to know his views on the military, read his books.

Sounds like a lot of positives.

We just had four years of constant whining and gnashing teeth on the right, so cut those lefties a break!

There is no way to spin this, no way this guy has enough cred. This does not mean he won't turn out okay. But he could be in the wrong job for the wrong reason. With all due respect for his service, he did not exactly follow up with global command, choosing to sit on the couch with the short skirts instead. But he could have the right stuff, conspiracy theories aside. I would be happy if he can walk the walk in the bigger arena. We just have to wait before we can blow the horn.

My only concern is; will he be able to handle the entrenched, backstabbing, deep state, entrenched deep swampers, who currently fill the bureaucracy. Those people who become "unnamed sources" for the MSM.

Hopefully he can clean house. But that's like getting flys of a pile of 💩.

The potential problem is that the picks seem like personal loyalty to the Prez,

And no other POTUS did the same ? AFAIK no other POTUS took race, sex and sexual preference into consideration, as we have seen currently. And has said often that this was the most diverse Admin ever. Too bad it can be said it was the most effective admin ever.

It is only the illegal requests for military help that will be questioned.

No, if the JCS, Sec Def, etc. thinks the POTUS is making a poor decision, they can and should recommend otherwise. And why, etc. E.g.

The Biden admin and his Sec State, etc. ignored the recommendations of the Military and Intel advisors and went with the plan he and the Sec State, etc. came up with. We see what debacle that was. There have been a number of investigations on this tragedy. And only the POTUS and his admin call it a success.

And again, this massive failure demonstrated to Putin and Iran that the US top elected and appointed leadership did not have the right stuff. So, Putin felt free to invade Ukraine as he saw how risk adverse and fear of escalation the current US leaders were. Iran saw the same and resulted in the current war with the IDF vs. Hamas and Hezbollah …

No need to mention how the Chicoms are reacting. They saw the same weakness with US leadership as the rest of the USA's enemies have. But the Chicoms are on a war footing and threatening to take Taiwan …

Elections have consequences, this past four years is a good example of that …

We just had four years of constant whining and gnashing teeth on the right, so cut those lefties a break!

No slack, they brought it on themselves.

For all our sakes, I hope these people can cut it. Rooting out diversity training while the Russians steal Ukraine does not work for me.

Having been both and Infantry Platoon Ldr and Mech Co. Cdr, I can assure anyone that anything that takes away from valuable training time. Time that is used to train for war. Is a waste of time among other things. And this woke progressive DEI, CRT, etc. agenda/dogma has not made the US Military stronger but caused dissention not cohesion. Cohesion that is very important to a Military unit.

This is now a different ballgame. Whatever other leaders did is over.it was always my contention that neither side had the right priorities in finding the best people. I am happy to have the new Sec ditch woke. But not as the number one priority. Can he continue getting the Pacific ready for the Chinese, who are far more steeped in dogma? Early Biden restored the alliances Trump ditched there.

I don't want personal loyalty to be confused with duty and oath of allegiance to the US. Global strategic vision requires a broad view and deep thinking. There is no sense of gravitas, wisdom in this pick for now. I still see this guy pushing books on a couch with a bunch of short skirts on Fox. But he could be something more….We will have to wait and see.

And this is what passed as being "qualified" for a position for the last 4 years.

I'm sure we can guess how he would rule in appeals cases. Don't believe me, go look him up. 😉

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Again, I think we have pretty much covered the last four years. During the last four years. But it must be hard to let go!

Good point on JFK and RK. This is not in the MSM.

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This is now a different ballgame. Whatever other leaders did is over.

It won't be over until the damage done is repaired …

. I am happy to have the new Sec ditch woke.

Woke, DEI, CRT/1619, etc. should be only mentioned in history books. As a massive debacle like A'stan. We learn from history, so we don't repeat its failings …

But not as the number one priority.

We do know what the priorities should be :

National Defense – prepare for the next war along with stopping the invasion of our own gov't sanctioned open borders. Build up the USN, etc., etc. Train our military to be warfighters … period …

Stop wasting $ on woke progressive, left-wing, liberal, illogical, etc. agendas. And I'm pretty sure all this 🐮💩 will be gone in short order now.

Yes on the priorities, but I don't agree that we failed to spend in the last for years. The building programs continued, no defense budgets were cut. We have major chip factories almost done or ready to build. Record oil production. But again, the US has not nationalized oil sales.

Better naval tech than anyone on earth. And still the best Army, best pilots. Unless somebody wants to prove me wrong, I still don't see the actual evidence that woke hurt the military as much as the elites in Congress running procurement. You think woke was a waste? Wait till they bring back the LCS program.

The elections are a culture war between elites from both parties and everyday people who did not go to Ivy League universities, or inherit vast wealth. These people built the US, actually pay taxes, and are rightfully angry. For now, they believe the new group cares about them. Time will tell.

We are about to see whether trading one bunch of elites for another will make a difference. We will hope that the new leaders who went to exactly the same schools and pay no taxes either will not smoke screen us with culture @#$& while they take care of themselves.

Yes on the priorities, but I don't agree that we failed to spend in the last for years. The building programs continued, no defense budgets were cut. We have major chip factories almost done or ready to build.

But why am I and everyone else paying more of groceries, car parts, shoes, underwear, etc. ? Just say'n …

Record oil production.

So why are we still paying high gas prices ? Where is the oil going ? And don't blame OPEC … That is the go to move to blame someone else for this admin …

The Dems still don't get it … they didn't reach out to the common man, middle America, the Heartland, the blue collar and low wage white collar worker, retirees, East Palestine, OH, etc. But they sanctioned millions of illegal aliens coming into the USA. And treating them better than what many Americans believes they should … and I agree. Plus, these are minorities and low-income households in the USA that see this too. I do …

Plus, they pushed the LGBTQ, sex reassignment of children, Go Green, DEI, CRT/1619, etc. etc. agenda, which many Americans really don't agree with. As well as many just don't care … but they feel like saying "what have you done for me lately ?" … Besides high prices for everything, an open border that results in many Americans, being killed by drugs, rape, murder, etc., etc. And they wonder why they lost … We don't …

Priorities … they chose poorly … They chose things that most Americans really don't care about e.g. the failed Green agenda, LGBTQ, etc., etc. They were not doing what most of "we the people" who they work for wanted to do … E.g. Trans agenda really is not and probably never be accepted by the vast majority of Americans. By flying the LGBTQ flag in front of the WH didn't change anyone's mind. And P.O.'d some …

I don't disagree Legion! I am no Dem. I was saying much the same thing. My point was that the same Ivy elites always run both parties.

We always pay more, returning to 2016 prices today is not gonna happen. We were gouged as well as having a good old fashion dose of pandemic inflation. The government does not control the oil market! It's a corporate giant.

But I voted write in because I got tired of listening to blame and whine about how bad things were in America. All those problems are real. But they are not the whole picture. Or even the truth sometimes. Real people include some who did not want either candidate.

The people are angry, but not just at Dems. 95% of all polls Trump approval rating this week? 44.2%…..

Tort always remember, these are the same people who poll before elections. The one who got it right, (runs a betting site), they sent the brown shirts… OPPs! I mean the Feds to arrest in the early AM. Sound familiar?

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Then we have this!

But remember! It's all on the up and up. 🙄

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I don't disagree Legion! I am no Dem. I was saying much the same thing. My point was that the same Ivy elites always run both parties.

No harm … no foul … But we have to remember, Biden is still POTUS and Harris VP … And we shouldn't expect much of anything will change until the new POTUS & VP are in the WH.

I thing some change is already underway, with Trump and Musk on the phone around the world. But not official.

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So the second gets a felony charge. Should not the first as well? What about all those who tore down and defaced monuments and buildings? What about those who burnt sections of the cities down? They didn't, shouldn't they?

They say the later was NOT because it was a LBGTQ mural, but somehow I don't believe them.

Just seems like two tiers of justice, IMHO.

I thing some change is already underway, with Trump and Musk on the phone around the world. But not official.

Yes as I have said the new admin will hit the ground running. As there is a lot that has to be repaired in the wake of the outgoing admin.

And the list is long, the lack of common sense and logic has really damaged the nation.