Help support TMP


"how to prepare for the next civil war" Topic


1501 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

In order to respect possible copyright issues, when quoting from a book or article, please quote no more than three paragraphs.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Ultramodern Warfare (2014-present) Message Board


Areas of Interest

Modern

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Ruleset


Featured Showcase Article


Featured Profile Article

First Look: GF9's 15mm Arnhem House

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian examines another pre-painted building for WWII.


33,471 hits since 28 Jan 2024
©1994-2025 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2024 7:15 a.m. PST

Fortunately it was such a big margin and it spanned all races and genders, so neither side can have doubts.

I heard last night on a Democratic leaning channel that they still had "late arriving bags of votes In Philadelphia" and things can change. That was around midnight. Thankfully not close enough.

But I think we need to still be concerned about violence from the "Ike" voters. We need to take their pitchforks. They can be a nasty and mean group. 😉

SBminisguy06 Nov 2024 9:03 a.m. PST

I heard last night on a Democratic leaning channel that they still had "late arriving bags of votes In Philadelphia" and things can change.

Yes, GOP and independent poll watchers video recorded TRUCKS delivering ballots AFTER MIDNIGHT into the main count facilities in both Philadelphia and Detroit. Were those legit? Why did Detroit harass poll watchers? And the Democrats are STILL counting in Detroit! AND Democrats are still counting in Mariposa County in Arizona!

Not this time, folks, not this time!

Nine pound round06 Nov 2024 9:09 a.m. PST

I guess a plurality of the American people decided they don't buy the insurrection story.

Really curious what the VP expects to say at 6 tonight. Strange she hasn't conceded.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2024 9:22 a.m. PST

No!! My only remining firearm was made in the 1940s. I am a strong supporter of the 2nd. I do have a pitchfork, but I live in the country! I am now working on Ike's 2028 campaign. I can assure you his rallies are mostly quiet.

Enjoy this time 35th, you have long suffered, along with many here. A clear win, but I think there is no big mandate for your guy. The division is far too strong, too big. This is merely the shoe on the other foot from last time. I think that if there had been someway to address the personal integrity issue with Trump, he really could have clobbered the weak candidate. Too many on both sides held their noses, I am betting. But much will depend on his words in the coming months.

But again, the civil war is averted and that matters more than anything for now.

SBminisguy06 Nov 2024 10:32 a.m. PST

A clear win, but I think there is no big mandate for your guy. The division is far too strong, too big

The division is between Elite Establishment Left-Democrats and their influencer allies + GOP Establishment grifters against the People. This is a mandate for reform – he won the EC and the Popular Vote because large percent of the public polled didn't like the direction of the country and wanted a change.

According to popular polls like Rasmussen and Pew when averaged by Party identification:

* 80% concerned about Border security
* 61% think immigration needs to be fixed
* 81% think the economy needs to be fixed
* 71% concerned about the war in Ukraine

And so on -- so with the White House, Senate and possibly the House going to "MAGA" republicans, that's a pretty good mandate!

Nine pound round06 Nov 2024 10:35 a.m. PST

If Obama thought a 52-48 win was sufficient justification for a "fundamental transformation" of the country, his allies and supporters are singularly ill-placed to suggest it's an inadequate mandate for whatever Trump attempts.

Nine pound round06 Nov 2024 10:37 a.m. PST

If Obama thought a 52-48 win was sufficient justification for a "fundamental transformation" of the country, his allies and supporters are singularly ill-placed to suggest it's an inadequate mandate for whatever Trump attempts.

It's clear to me that the protracted transformation of both parties from what they were in the late 1980s is substantially complete. Otherwise, how else could Liz and Dick Cheney found themselves supporting a Democrat?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2024 11:29 a.m. PST

Ahhh … a little sigh of relief this morning … Even the GOP took the Senate. And probably the House …

In the near future …

1) Energy independence/dominance …
2) Lower prices for everything …
3) Border tightened up, ICE, CPB, LEOs can do their jobs again …
4) Less Americans dying of Chinese supplied drugs to the cartels/gangs or being raped & murdered, etc. by illegal aliens.
5) Deportation of illegal aliens … en masse …
6) Putting the US Military and National Defense as a top priority …
7) Shelving the Go Green agenda until the tech has advanced enough to be not only more viable but realistic …


That is my wish list for Santa … 🎅🧾

Sadly, the US will most likely never totally recover from a Gov't sanctioned invasion of millions upon millions of illegal aliens. Or is that just me ? 🤔

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2024 1:28 p.m. PST

Not to worry…there will be plenty to worry about! These problems are not going away anytime soon.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2024 6:54 p.m. PST

Well if it wasn't a mandate for Biden, who got 81 million votes, it's not one for Trump either. Nobody seems to get even a 50 % approval rating in recent years.
My thinking is let's see how things get fixed and take it from there.


A question – will he use the military for domestic tasks?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 6:12 a.m. PST

"A question – will he use the military for domestic tasks?"

Building the border wall? Transporting illegals back to their home countries? Help patrol the border and closing it down? Help to rebuild North Carolina and other areas destroyed by the hurricane?

Should he? 🤔

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 6:47 a.m. PST

Ok the day after election.

The border seemed to be the major concern for those voting for him on TMP before the election.

So.., What ideas do we have?

I'll go first.

1) close the border immediately. Stop catch and release.
2) Revoke automatic citizenship to children born in the U.S. to those illegally here. (This will take the house and the senate). It should never have been.
3) Make the above retroactive to any child under 5, or children of illegals accused of criminal acts. (Other than being illegal)
4) Start deportations immediately of any illegals guilty of crimes. This includes their families. (Use the military to get them "home" if necessary for transportation).
5) increase the amount of legal immigrants.
6) No one illegal entering, will be allowed to stay after the border is closed.
7) cut off taxpayer aid to anyone here illegally on day 1.
8) Build the Wall!! Ignore any court challenges (they will do it just like the first term!). The current President set the precedent by ignoring the Supreme Court on forgiving student loans. Quote his precedent and let the liberals whine.
9) If money "is needed" for more border agents, pass it through the Republican Senate and (House).
10) Any business who are employing illegals, have to start paying them at wages normal for your industry immediately. You also must keep them employed if necessary for 11 below.
11) Start the process of citizenship or deportation for anyone here illegally. If they have jobs that can support them and their family, without having any taxpayer handouts to support them, start a 5 year process of citizenship, (Start learning English, our history and government, basically anything anyone coming here legally has to.) This grace period ends if you become a criminal or fail to support your family without handouts. Hard? yes. Failure and you and your family are deported.
If you are already not capable of supporting your family without government handouts….. 👋 bye bye. All of you, anchor babies or not.
12) put the agreements with other countries back into being again.

As far as "real asylum". Stay in the country you escape to (Mexico for example). Review them. Prove there is some reason why it must be the US (very few I can think of. Ex ally maybe.). Only take them if absolutely necessary.

I'm sure there is more and I'm sure people will say it's not possible. But this is off the top of my head.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 7:30 a.m. PST

Tort here you go. I thought he nailed it.

Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "Scott Jennings masterclass on CNN last night. Donald Trump now has a mandate. t.co/LtjTkBOh05 / X


link

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 7:59 a.m. PST

And will they learn from Jennings? Ahhh…., No it seems not. See where they place the blame. The man they claimed would be looked upon for one of the greatest administrations in US history. Now their sacrificial goat. 🐐

Subject: Why Kamala Harris lost the election – POLITICO


link

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 8:08 a.m. PST

Subject: Protests erupt at Donald Trump's return to the White House – YouTube

And so they start already. Multiple cities already. But we knew they would.

"Donald Trump's election win has sparked protests in major cities, including Philadelphia and Chicago, over concerns about rights and policies, especially around immigration and reproductive issues."

Palestinian flags!??

"Reproductive rights"? Who wants to stop them from reproducing? Oh! I bet they mean the right to kill babies they produced already. Well that is out of Federal control now. In the hand of the states, and over Election Day most of the bills making it easier to abort them, passed in the states that had them on the ballots. Only Florida and one other failed and they stay at "6 weeks".

Trump has said on multiple occasions he is done with it. But they probably get their news from "other sources".

Weren't most of these people in the George Floyd, Portland, Milwaukee, pro-Palestinian protests too? 😉 makes one wonder if they have jobs or are paying their "student loans". We have got to make these people productive. I heard we are short in the military. 🤔 Then they really would have something real to be concerned about. 😂

YouTube link

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 8:26 a.m. PST

One last one. Since it is VMI

Subject: Ned Ryun on X: "From the barracks at the Virginia Military Institute this morning when it was announced that ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ was re-elected to the WH. t.co/3zfALoVm66 / X


link

SBminisguy07 Nov 2024 9:28 a.m. PST

Weren't most of these people in the George Floyd, Portland, Milwaukee, pro-Palestinian protests too? 😉 makes one wonder if they have jobs or are paying their "student loans".

Interesting how Antifa are aligned with the violently anti-Jewish Hamas totalitarians – an outgrowth of the PLO and the Muslim Brotherhood, whose spiritual roots lay ultimately with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who during WW2 collaborated with the Nazis! He even travelled to Berlin to air pro-Nazi propaganda radio broadcasts intended to help recruit Arabs to the Nazi cause, unifying around Jew hatred, and who personally helped found the Muslim Handschar SS who committed atrocities in the Balkans and the Nazi Arab Legion.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 11:12 a.m. PST

35th,

I disagree with you one one thing. Do not deport criminals, put them in jail! All they do is come back and reoffend. I don't understand that an illegal commits a crime here we just send them home. "Bad Boy! Bad Boy! now we will give you a swat on the butt and sent you home." Put them in frick'n jail.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 12:03 p.m. PST

I don't think all our problems will be solved. Too much, and the division remains unchanged, maybe worse now. But I am hopeful some things will get done and believe they will.

I did wonder about whether the role of the military might be modified. The border seems like an obvious choice, especially since you can easily argue that we are defending our territory.

The deportation camps, or what ever I should call them, might not be a good look. And finding and detaining these people will require special training or it could also look ugly, and our enemies may have a field day comparing us to dictatorships.

Prison, or Criminal University as some call it, would be massively expensive. We already have a huge prison population and no space.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 12:11 p.m. PST

Oops… there will have to be some balance. They are not all going back. It is what it is now. Do our best to get the bad guys, criminals, spies, etc. But get it right. Don't lose this part: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2024 2:19 p.m. PST

Gratten54

I did not mention that, because it will cause us all to continue to support them. If we close the border and secure it, they can't come back.

I'd dump all criminals in Venezuela if I could, (with or without parachutes). 😉

But i agree, if they are guilty of violent crimes against US citizens, then yes we should keep them. If murder, then in a state with capital punishment and limit them to 1 appeal, if that. They are illegal, right?

But I'm talking about things like theft, being part of a gang, non-violent crimes, or a criminal in their home country.

SBminisguy07 Nov 2024 6:31 p.m. PST

Don't lose this part: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

Gimme a break, do you suppose that sentiment covers a situation where against the wishes of the super majority of the American people the US Federal Government would refuse to enforce border security and immigration law, and deliberately work with anti-US NGOs and foreign governments like Venezuela to import 10million+ illegal immigrants who are largely not vetted. We don't know who they are, what their motives and loyalties are, their health status, if they are generally honest or a murderer -- nothing. And then the same Federal government would internally colonize small town America with massive dumps of illegal aliens who are deposited into a town by charter bus or flight with little to no local coordination, and which has tried to prevent States from protecting their own borders.

Nine pound round07 Nov 2024 6:40 p.m. PST

And, because they are counted in the census, permit a net shift of both electoral votes and Congressional representation toward the urban areas where they are deposited.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 6:47 a.m. PST

Did I miss something? Your guys won everything. Is it too much to ask for practical measures and some sort of a nod to core principals? Repubs can legislate without anything to stop them – revise the voting process and actually fix this and hundreds of other issues. They have more or less unchecked executive authority. They are ready to purge the government of opponents. Maybe try not to help us too much….

But it is a golden opportunity to fix immigration. Look back at the history of immigration waves. Gimme a break? Where did we all come from?

How many illegals do you think you know? Most of them are hiding, some doing low level labor, IMO. Some of them are staying, right or wrong. The economy needs some of them. Find the ones who are criminals, foreign agents and drop them anywhere you like. How about passing a new law or two now? Tell us how to figure out who among the true refugees should go…you are not going to find them all anyway.

It's a bad situation, a terrible failure. So what will work? FIX it and stop running for office.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 6:51 a.m. PST

Argh! I take some of that back…enough fear and loathing. it was a great win, make it worth something while you can.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 8:12 a.m. PST

Tort, you asked about the use of US troops. You also advocate fixing this illegal issue. Ok here you go.

So if these governors refuse to help in deportation of "illegals" and instead hide and impede their deportations, what should the federal government do?

Below are just a few of the stories.

Subject: Massachusetts governor vows no assistance for mass deportations


link

Subject: Incoming WA gov, AG vow to take on Trump administration if it overreaches | The Seattle Times


link

Subject: Murphy vows to "fight to the death" to stop Trump's policies including mass deportations


link

Subject: 2024 Election: Gov. Kathy Hochul vows to protect New York freedoms, discusses path forward after 2024 presidential vote | abc7ny.com


link

Subject: Pritzker vows to defend Illinois during second Trump term. 'You come for my people. You come through me.' – Chicago Sun-Times


link

SBminisguy08 Nov 2024 9:00 a.m. PST

@35thOVI – I see a bunch of Democrat Governors talking tough about "protecting their people from Trump" -- and they mean ILLEGAL ALIENS and not US citizens! Trump's statement is that the process will start with criminals -- the first step is totally in the purview of the Federal government to deport criminal illegal aliens in Federal prisons. They Feds can also deport criminal aliens detained by CBP and ICE.

Then the test comes when the Feds direct a State to deport criminal illegal aliens in State prisons. What will tough guy Democrat Governors do then? Ya know, like the Governor of Massachusetts who speedily deported illegal aliens who landed on the shores of Martha's Vineyard… will she "fight" to protect criminals who have harmed the people of her State???

Will Democrats once again will fight tooth and nail to maintain total control over poor, uneducated and dependent people of color in order to use them for cheap labor and get them counted for Congressional Seat?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 9:03 a.m. PST

Does anyone know that California is only at 59% of the total vote count so far!?

This is unacceptable in this day and time!!

States like Arizona are only in the 70's!!

For gods sake clean up the vote in these states.

Most states are at 99%, including mine.

Stone Age man could have done better!! 🤬

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 9:09 a.m. PST

@SB man I don't know. The rest of what they promise to protect are just scare tactics to inflame their voters. If let us say the Federal government says no Transsexuals in Women's sports, and they try and stand up to that. I can't see that as a winning position with voters. The abortion thing is a boondoggle. It is in the states hands. The rest is just 💩.

The illegals.., that's different.

SBminisguy08 Nov 2024 9:19 a.m. PST

Does anyone know that California is only at 59% of the total vote count so far!?

I live here, and CA's vote process is crap. They have closed down most physical polling stations so its HARD to vote in person! I though they were all about making it easy to vote -- nope. And if you do go, it's against the law to request voter ID. However…to get a local library card you gave to show a valid State ID and a local utility bill AND present this ID in person to a librarian…

Why do Democrats want to make it so hard to read a book!?!?

So in many places your only way to vote is by mail in ballot, which they send to every address for every voter -- so some houses get ballots for people who no longer live there. Happened to us in the 2022 election, people who hadn't lived in our address for 20 years got ballots. And THEN CA law allows ballots to be filled out by a helper who can drop the ballot on your behalf, without a signature, into a drop box -- no chain of custody.

For all intents and purposes there IS NO REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY IN CALIFORNIA! I live in a Single Party Oligarchy.

SBminisguy08 Nov 2024 9:30 a.m. PST

@35thOVI

The abortion thing is a boondoggle. It is in the states hands.

Moreover, the Democrats DO NOT want to "fix" the abortion issue! They could have passed a national law during three Democrat presidencies when they also held the House and Seate and did not. They had four years under Carter. They had two years under Clinton and two years under Obama. They did nothing because it is too politically useful, its a hot button they can hit anytime they need it.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 10:14 a.m. PST

SB +1 on the last post

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 10:31 a.m. PST

@SB

If Ohio did the same as California, my father would have received one at his home address this year. Based off your law, since my sister and I were over him (Alzheimer's/Dementia), we could have voted for him this year and every year as long as my mom resides there and he stayed on the Ohio voter rolls.

I should say, he died in February.

Fortunately Ohio had Better voter laws. Not perfect, just better.

Another question:

From "Newsweek" (November 8th)

"At the time of writing, with many more votes still to be counted, Harris has 69 million votes, more than 12 million below the 81.2 million votes Biden had in 2020. Trump is currently at 72.6 million, less than 2 million away from the 74.2 million votes the Republican received in the 2020 election. Still, even with the remaining votes yet to be counted, Harris is set to fall short of Biden's tally four years ago."

Obviously they did not go to Trump based on above. It makes me wonder. 🤔 Republicans about the same, but Democrats millions short.

I guess one could say they didn't show up, because they did not like Kamala.
I guess One could say they did tighten the voter methodologies in some states.
Not as many "mail in's" going out in swing states.
"Tighter" oversights and people watching for late night bags and multiple drop offs by one individual.
Better prep by Republicans, especially voting early.

One could say many things and we may never know. But I still have a hard time swallowing JB got 80 million votes, by sitting in his basement, not talking and with a platform of "Trump Evil and Hitler".

They did use the same methodology this time and got at least 12 million less votes.

Then again, California is only 59% done. 😉

SBminisguy08 Nov 2024 10:38 a.m. PST

Then again, California is only 59% done. 😉

So you're telling me California is only half-baked?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 10:42 a.m. PST

As with 2016 vast majority of "we the people" of the middle class/blue collar, low wage white-collar workers saw the light/truth. The Heartland, the land between NYC and CA, those that make the nation work have spoken overwhelmingly … again in 2024.

A very well supported by very wealthy far-left, liberal, woke progressive, Marxist/Socialist intellectual academics globalist, and very vocal minority[did I miss any?] tried to push a very skewed agenda/narrative. That many of those elected and appointed officials/leaders/activists supported. As they wanted to "fundamentally change America" or try again.

Most of the hard working Heartland denizens soon saw the WH agenda cost those rural/suburbs a lot of $ just to live. Feed their family, etc.

The WH, some in Congress and in the media thought they knew what was better for the vast majority of Americans … the middle/under classes. A narrative and agenda that was not good for the vast majority of "we the people" …

E.g.:

The Green/globalist Agenda was not ready as the tech was not there. And was very costly …

Weak/poor geopolitical choices, etc. That our enemies' saw and did/are taking advantage of this weakness, etc.

The Gov't supported/sanctioned open border policy. Plus secret flights of illegal aliens. This plan was not good for "we the people" …

The Gov't, etc. embraced the very skewed woke, progressive DEI, CRT/1619, transgenderism movements … Again, most Americans really don't agree with those, but in reality, don't really care. Until it is pushed down not only their throats but their children'. Trying to make what most in the USA don't think is "normal" … And this is a very tiny minority of the US population. Somehow many in the US Gov't, activist groups, etc. thought they could convince most Americans that this the best for them as well as the tiny minority of the population.

Letting groups like BLM and Antifa destroy, burn, loot attack LEOs, etc. And almost all of them got away with it. Suffering no punitive actions …

There is more that the small minority of Americans thought was good for the USA, etc. But bottom line the masses didn't think so. And of course is you didn't agree with what was being said, you were labeled as a racist, fascist, a Nazi, sexist, xenophobic, white supremacist, etc.

As much as I loathe groups like White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, KKK, etc. when was the last time they burned down city blocks, looted, attack LEOs, etc. ?

The USA needs very strong, dynamic, aggressive leadership. That actually does support "we the people". The masses in the US saw that. Hence the failure of the concept of "fundamentally changing America" …

Hope I won't be DH'd but I was just trying to explain what just happened in the recent election, IMO.

Could be wrong ? I have been before …

<rant mode terminated … fade to black>

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 1:16 p.m. PST

Subject: Mexico's migrant caravan breaking up after Trump victory sows uncertainty

🤔 immediate impact
link

SBminisguy08 Nov 2024 2:45 p.m. PST

From a wargaming standpoint, if there would be (God forbid) a split in the US -- here's what the map looks like based on County election results. Imagine being "Blue" and trying to win and defeat "Red"…

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 5:31 p.m. PST

SB related. Had not heard this. Heard it out west, but not Illinois


Subject: Pro-Trump Counties Vote to Secede from Illinois, Form New Red State | IBTimes

link

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 7:18 p.m. PST

That is a whole lot of Red …

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2024 7:30 p.m. PST

35th it seems that Democratic turnout was much lower for this one, according to some pundits. I certainly get this, for me both choices were far below par. But I am not a Dem.

The maps are very deceptive in terms of distribution of wealth, population and power. They don't work for gaming or more serious assessment. I don't care anything about the number of counties.

SBminisguy08 Nov 2024 10:40 p.m. PST

Subject: Pro-Trump Counties Vote to Secede from Illinois, Form New Red State | IBTimes

The term is "devolution" and we need it in multiple States to provide more local representation for the people who live outside the large metro areas. In States like California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, New York – the big cities dominate politics and essentially disenfranchise suburban and rural voters. That's why almost all counties in eastern Washington want to become part of Idaho, along with parts of Eastern Oregon.

So you'd have these possible new States.

1. Greater Idaho which includes Eastern Washington and parts of Eastern Oregon.

2. The State of Jefferson from SE Oregon and NE California.

3. The State of Eastern California from counties East of the coastal mountains to the Nevada and Arizona borders.

4. Eastern Colorado from all the non-Denver exurb counties

5. Southern Illinois as counties cut away from Chicago

6. Northern New York as counties cut away from NYC

7. Southern Virginia as counties cut away from the dominance of the DC suburb (Arlington/Beltway) population.

The maps are very deceptive in terms of distribution of wealth, population and power. They don't work for gaming or more serious assessment. I don't care anything about the number of counties.

LOL, sure it doesn't matter that the Blue Archipelago has a large population that is totally dependent on the Red Areas for all the necessities of life -- Food, Water and Energy. Of course the two need each other, but the "Blues" tend to think that their creation of successful service economies based around tech and finance make them superior to "rocks and cows" country (as Tim Walz once called the non-city areas) that produces everything else.

So this absolutely works for interesting gaming scenarios. The Blue Counties have large populations and few resources. These large populations are largely (except for drug gangs) unarmed via gun control and social engineering -- so that large population has no weapons.

So what would a Blue Leader do to build an army? Would they cut a deal with the Drug Gangs and empower them -- who are at least armed and used to violence? Would they hire Mercs? Would they invite Chinese troops? Would they do conscription and basic training with cheap Chinese AK-47s as a sort Landwher army poorly trained and motivated conscripts? Would they be forced to buy food and water from other nations? How long could they hold out if Red Leaders just cut the power, food and water to Blue Cities?

Lots of things to consider.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2024 4:44 a.m. PST

Remember our conversations about FEMA?

Well it seems there was truth behind allegations. Based on what people in NC were saying, I don't believe this is an isolated incident. Yes, I believe those under this individual obeyed what they were told.

Based on the last 8 years and things that have happened via many federal offices (we've all talked about them), I believe they have many ideological driven employees who act on ideology and not on the law and Constitution.


Subject: Daily Wire on X: "FULL STATEMENT: "FEMA helps all survivors regardless of their political preference or affiliation and we are deeply disturbed by this employee's actions. While we believe this is an isolated incident, we have taken measures to remove the employee from their role and are" / X


link

Subject: FEMA official directed hurricane relief workers to avoid homes with Trump signage | Fox News


link

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2024 6:47 a.m. PST

SB In a civil war game, the northeast will no longer fund red state budgets, they are already wealthy, but will be able to buy even more.. They can get food and energy from Canada. They have plenty of water, the worst droughts are in the west. You honestly think they have no weapons? And much larger populations to build armies? You think they would not fight? There are half a billion guns in the US. Plus unknown more. You give everybody in Wyoming two guns, but they still can't beat NJ. Is "social engineering" working with illegal guns?

How about Wyoming, look at that population. Are they underrepresented in the Senate compared to NY. Kentucky draws down 4 dollars from the Feds for every dollar they pay in taxes. The bigger blue states pay for much of this.

Succession is looked at by many in the northeast, rightly or wrongly, as "how soon can you leave?" after listening for years to red states labeling them. Maybe the flash point is in Boston once again. They already proved once that they don't take any @#$& and can organize. Roll to see who goes first!

California has far more resources and wealth than most other nations. The rules for them will need careful thinking. They have an abundance of strengths and weaknesses. They are a wild card somehow.

The gangs will not fight for politicians. They don't care about this. They will be a problem for blue states and red states.

What do the rules do about the military? What will they do? This alone could make the game unplayable if the military goes red as we might assume. But CA and NY are top recruiting areas. Maybe those guys won't fight for red.

You look at a red map and think how could they lose? But I think you can even it out with other factors without distorting it too much. But then there are the leaders on each side. I predict endless arguments over their ratings..

Would such games and ways of thinking only make the division worse?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2024 9:59 a.m. PST

Tort, I don't believe anyone wants a CW. God forbid.

You might find this interesting.

From a close friend and his girlfriend. I print it because of the DEI reference and that fact it was first hand. I've also heard the exact same from a neighbors son currently serving in the Army.

"So true, talking to <girlfriend's> son who just left the army, the military loves Trump.. they hate the DEI and woke crap with a passion and are quitting because of it and the B/H administration. Maybe this can help turn our military moral around"

SBminisguy09 Nov 2024 12:58 p.m. PST

1.

They can get food and energy from Canada.
How? How do Blue cities truck food and energy in from Canada across Red territory?

2.

They have plenty of water, the worst droughts are in the west.
Maybe Chicago, but ALL of the other major metro areas get their water via aqueducts and pipelines that originate in Red territory. Here's how San Francisco gets its water supply:

3.

You honestly think they have no weapons? And much larger populations to build armies? You think they would not fight?
Dunno, like I said, the social engineering culture of the Big Blue cities is anti-gun and anti-violence. They only "combat ready" population is the drug gangs, the rest would have to be conscripts. And what motivates them? I dunno, depends -- if it's a Blue State caused split based on relative trivialities or nonsense (like Blue governors thundering that they will go to the mat to protect the illegal population from deportation -- even criminals) the populace may not be that motivated. And then how do the NG units split? How many stay "Blue" when the majority of NG and Military tend to be more conservative and "Red" aligned?

There are half a billion guns in the US.
Yes, but largely NOT in "Blue" territory which are strongly anti-gun.

4.

California has far more resources and wealth than most other nations. The rules for them will need careful thinking. They have an abundance of strengths and weaknesses. They are a wild card somehow.

There are no State vs State in this scenario, the country is really divided by City Elites vs Suburban/Rural Middle and Working Class. As I showed in the map of SF's water supply, California's Big Blue areas consume natural resources and inputs, and create tech and financial goods and services. They cannot stand independent of the "Red" areas of the State. Most of the food, water and energy for the State are produced in "Red" areas. Here's the 2024 election results by County in CA:

This is not 1861. People do not have the same State loyalty today, they align more with political ideologies – Communalist vs Individualist. Any potential split would be across these Red vs Blue county lines, not State by State.

Nine pound round09 Nov 2024 1:12 p.m. PST

In blue areas, when people talk about "survival skills," they mean where to find avocado toast. If you turned off the water at the houses where the bills aren't paid, half of most major cities would be in chaos or worse in a matter of days. The enormous amount of dependence on the operations of public facilities in major urban areas makes them very dependent on the continual functioning of supply chains and government. I've seen chaos in a blue city (both from rioting and a natural disaster). They're not naturally resilient.

If they're anything like they used to be, the combatant units of the military are probably culturally red. The cooks, bakers and candlestick makers, not so much.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2024 4:19 p.m. PST

Subject: Wicked FEMA Supervisor Who Ordered Staff to Avoid Homes with Trump Flags Is Relieved of Duty – FEMA Needs to Explain How This Was Allowed to Happen! by Cristina Laila

Well she has been fired. But those under her did listen to her command. Again based on what we have heard from individuals in NC on the ground, I have to believe she was not a loner. Also having seen her now, I can't help but ask: "a DEI hire"?

link

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2024 8:22 p.m. PST

I guess it's not much of a good gaming idea after all, with all the conscript, social engineered, toast eating losers living in blue states, and all the real men heroes in red states. Anyways, to some of the points here..

Military have families, wives, girlfriends in their home states. Family matters."political ideology" much less. You fight for your people. Like in 1861.

I can be in Montreal in 4 hours and never see a red county. Some of my food already comes from there.

I could go on, but actually I am not sure how you know about some of the things you say. I just don't believe you, and you don't believe me. Game over….

SBminisguy09 Nov 2024 9:26 p.m. PST

I could go on, but actually I am not sure how you know about some of the things you say. I just don't believe you, and you don't believe me. Game over….

It's called common sense thinking and simple research.

Family matters."political ideology" much less. You fight for your people. Like in 1861.

But "my people" are not San Franciscans. So even though I live in California, why would I fight for them? I barely want to visit anymore because the elected leadership keep knocking holes in the Civil Society, and parts of The City are dysfunctional s1tholes, with other affluent parts patrolled by private and public security.

Oh, and SF in particular has a real problem with regards to emergency services. ALL the police and fire crews live well outside the city, as do most nursing staff in hospitals. It's too expensive for the average cop to live in SF -- they live in the East Bay and extended suburbs, I know one cop who lives in Los Banos and commutes into SF! So when the next earthquake hits, the only first responders they will have are those on duty at the time. The rest will be helping their own local communities where their families live.


This is not 1861 where most people lived their lives and died within 20 miles of their birthplace. We are a highly mobile, atomized society.

Nine pound round10 Nov 2024 6:30 a.m. PST

If the blue were really minded to fight, the time to fight is when "literally Hitler" was elected. I'm glad they did not, but that doesn't prevent me from drawing the conclusion that they are unserious people.

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31