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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2024 11:46 a.m. PST

Trump is a cult leader.
I thought he was the president of the Stormy Daniels fan club ? But I never see him at any of the meetings ?

OVI & SB +1 each …


And he is a millionar conning small people to believe he is anti establishment.
Who ? What ? How ? Small people ? Like those that make less than $50,000 USD/yrs ? Or $100,000 USD ? Or just people under 5ft. tall ?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2024 12:11 p.m. PST

"Or just people under 5ft. tall ?" 😂

I! the wee folk! He's always after me Lucky Charms. 😉

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2024 12:29 p.m. PST

Did someone elect her? I guess this confirms a lot of supposition.

Subject: X: "BREAKING: The White House just held its first cabinet meeting in 11 months Jill Biden sat at the head of the table t.co/kwLl0x4mkV / X


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Nine pound round20 Sep 2024 12:50 p.m. PST

Try and imagine the absolute s***storm that would follow if someone did that at a publicly traded corporation.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2024 12:55 p.m. PST

Not that a few First Ladies have not done it before. But still not right.

SBminisguy20 Sep 2024 2:45 p.m. PST

WMD attack at a Trump rally, 20 injured by chemicals and/or the use of a high-powered infrared laser. One victim was left blinded for four days.

Where was the Secret Service??

At least 20 Trump supporters may have been attacked covertly by chemicals or a high-power laser at a Trump rally in Tucson on September 12. Some victims suffered severe burns. Many were temporarily blinded, with symptoms lasting until today. Others may have been affected but have yet to be identified. The fact that all those known to have been affected were sitting on the stage immediately adjacent to President Trump is important in understanding the significance of what happened.

The victims were all part of a "Latinos for Trump" group on the stage. President Trump shook hands with them as he walked to the podium. But what they believed was their good fortune soon turned into a nightmare when severe symptoms began to strike 30 minutes after the rally.


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Nine pound round20 Sep 2024 3:43 p.m. PST

I don't know why you're so outraged, they clearly brought it on themselves by supporting Trump, whose rhetoric is more of a threat to "Our Democracy" than chemical weapons or the bullets his opponents shot at him.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2024 4:55 p.m. PST

9 and don't forget, "January 6th The Worst Attack on Democracy Since the Civil War". Yes Pearl Harbor, 9/11, the British burning the White House, they had nothing on the 6th.

To quote another great historian: " Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!"

😉

Nine pound round20 Sep 2024 5:46 p.m. PST

Of course, how could I forget the "insurrection" that everyone forgot to bring weapons to.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2024 6:10 p.m. PST

"Or just people under 5ft. tall ?" 😂
I remember a song on the radio back in the '90s about short people ! It was pretty funny. I forgot who sang it old fart

the wee folk! He's always after me Lucky Charms. 😉
I love St. Pats Day! But I'm more of a Froot Loops guy … 🦜

The White House just held its first cabinet meeting in 11 months
Hard to have any kind of staff meeting when you are on the beach or in the basement.

Jill Biden sat at the head of the table
When's the last time that a POTUS invited his wife to a staff meeting ? Of course, I'm sure Putin is shaking in his $2,000 USD loafers knowing the 1st Lady is in the room !


Where was the Secret Service??
That being asked more lately than "Where's Waldo" !


Of course, how could I forget the "insurrection" that everyone forgot to bring weapons to.
The media got confused calling a riot an insurrection.

dogtail20 Sep 2024 8:11 p.m. PST

the burning of the White House was not "since the Civil War", so it falls outside of the time reference.
Pearl Harbour was an attack on the military might of the USA, Japan did not try to install their leader as President, it was not an assault on democracy.
Those guys marching into the Capitol, they are small people. The assault on democracy was the plot to avoid the change of power. The small people delivered the ugly pictures, the cult leader got away.

dogtail20 Sep 2024 8:13 p.m. PST
Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2024 5:40 a.m. PST

Dogtail – I have thought the same, but it never seems to be considered here. IMO It's a stretch to watch the rally speakers and not connect them to the march or break-in at the Capitol, or the threats to Mike Pence. You hear it, you see it, and you wonder how the later spin is accepted, how a whole party of politicians soon changed their minds after hiding from what they thought was danger. But for some, it is nothing much.

IMO …Those people who broke in were used. They believed they were doing something that was important. Something righteous. They are victims, but not of the system. They broke in, broke up the session for a few hours, took the hit, their leader walked.

I think that it's a stretch to connect international wars against attacking foreign power to Jan 6, a domestic riot. The Civil War was also a domestic dispute. Hundreds of thousands of US soldiers died to keep the rebel battle flag out of that building. It was a tough moment to see it there on Jan 6. But it is free speech.

First Ladies have attended cabinet meetings before, I think. And some asserted far more influence than Jill. Who cares at this point? Cabinet members are not elected and the Constitution gives the president the right to choose his own advisors. Did something happen at this meeting?

A lot of anger…but people feel it on both sides. It is bigger than red v blue perceptions. The wealthy elite don't care about those colors. Wall Street doesn't care – look at the record highs. Corporations feign support for either side as needed. We are losing much of our heritage it seems, fearful of changes in culture and values. Where is the middle ground? The middle class? Too late maybe…

SBminisguy21 Sep 2024 9:57 a.m. PST

First Ladies have attended cabinet meetings before, I think. And some asserted far more influence than Jill. Who cares at this point?

Because she's not president, she was neither elected nor appointed to any position of authority. AND it's a symptom of the real problem which is at the present time the United States HAS NO PRESIDENT. We instead see the hands of unelected Oligarchy pulling the strings for all the world to see.


It is bigger than red v blue perceptions.

I see it as the Establishment against The People -- that Unelected Oligarchy against everyone else, and they are a powerful Oligarchy with a LOT of heavy hitters on their side.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2024 12:36 p.m. PST

the burning of the White House was not "since the Civil War", so it falls outside of the time reference.
Yes during the War of 1812. In 1814, IIRC the British burned it down. The US had broken away from the Crown decades ago. Nothing civil about it …

Pearl Harbour was an attack on the military might of the USA, Japan did not try to install their leader as President, it was not an assault on democracy.
They IJFs attacked military targets but not surprisingly there were some civilian deaths too. I.e. collateral damage … But if the IJFs they could have they'd been glad to install a gov't in the HI islands. As they did in the PI not long after Pearl.

Those guys marching into the Capitol, they are small people. The assault on democracy was the plot to avoid the change of power. The small people delivered the ugly pictures, the cult leader got away.
They were rioters not insurrectionists. The Taliban were insurrectionists, not rioters. The US rioters were not really an assault on democracy. They were incompetent rioters. They were wrong the second they broke into the WH.

Could things have been handled better by all sides ? Yes, of course, but like the BLM and Antifa riots during the Summer that occurred a year or so earlier. They appeared to be more of insurrectionist, along with some rioters. In both cases, they must have known there was no way they were actually leading and executing an insurrection.

Cult leader is really an inaccurate term IMO. There was no cult leaders of any type involve. However, on that day good leadership across the board was at a premium …

But, much later, someone who said it was her fault. As she did not call out the NG, etc. until it was over days later. She was recorded on a cell phone. The clip in available online. But again on that day real leadership was lacking … As we also see today …

First Ladies have attended cabinet meetings before, I think.
Maybe but I don't remember it happening.
And some asserted far more influence than Jill.
I doubt it but at this point it does mean little.
Who cares at this point?
Again, it means little at this late date.
Cabinet members are not elected and the Constitution gives the president the right to choose his own advisors.
Of course, but it would have looked better if the USA was not in crisis.
Did something happen at this meeting?
Does not appear so. Which seems to be SOP …

dogtail21 Sep 2024 1:36 p.m. PST

But Hawaii was not a state of the USA in 1941, so still no direct attack on democracy in the USA.
How about calling those 6th january people just "bad behaving visitors of public space"? Or"right hearted people with patriotic ambitions"?
And those BLM guys "pet eating terrorists with bad smelling breath"? Antifas are "Nazi hating Marxist Fascists"?
Most importantly: you name things right, then everything becomes clear.
BTW the name of the Album of the Randy Newmans song is "Little criminals"…funny, right?

dogtail21 Sep 2024 1:43 p.m. PST

you wrote: "They were wrong the second they broke into the WH."
Did they break into the Capitol or the White House?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2024 6:28 p.m. PST

Doh !!! I made an error … I'm old old fart … yes it was the Capital … Got confused with talking about the WH being burned down by the Brits in 1814.

But Hawaii was not a state of the USA in 1941, so still no direct attack on democracy in the USA.
Regardless … the IJF made a massive attack on US Forces at Pearl. Declaring war on the USA. The US Military protects the US and US democracy. I remember taking an oath and were told about protecting democracy, etc., when I was in the US Army, '79-'90 …

How about calling those 6th january people just "bad behaving visitors of public space"? Or"right hearted people with patriotic ambitions"?
Never said they were just visitors behaving badly … they were rioters … Who thought they were doing the right thing. They were wrong … They were not doing the right thing …

And those BLM guys "pet eating terrorists with bad smelling breath"?
Again I never said anything like that. The story of pet eating Haitians was not true … And I thought so as soon as I heard it. And pretty sure none of the 15,000-20,000 that just were sent to Springfield, OH belong to BLM … at least not yet.

Also, they are not illegal, the US Gov't started airlifting them with some sort of program that the WH came up with. Helping them to escape from their failed nation, etc.

Frankly I don't know what a small rural town in OH or anywhere else in the US would do with 15,000-20,000 non-citizens. A town that only IIRC has a population of 50-60,000. It has 0 to do about racism, it has to do a logistics. The situation would be the same if they were all blond-haired blue-eyed Nordics/Scandinavians and not Haitians. Food, shelter, medical, etc., etc. where does that come from ? BTW, 15,000-20,000 is about 2 Army Divs. Takes a lot of support … a whole lot of support …

FWIW, I live in OH in a suburb about 5 mins from farmland. Where the Hell would we put, feed, etc. 15,000 -20,000 more people even if they were Nordics? There are not enough jobs here or even in Springfield, OH either for them.


And in many situations is it about national security [as well as logistics]. As we see how a number of illegal aliens are terrorists, criminals, etc. doing harm to American citizens. The first priority of any Republic, like the US, for its leaders is protecting its citizens. That should not be a surprise to US leaders.

Antifas are "Nazi hating Marxist Fascists"?
I thought Antifa were Anarchists. Not Nazis, Marxist or Fascists. Many are children of the rich, standing up to the Fascist Fed Gov't, Law Enforcement, and even the military. They look at themselves as revolutionaries, freedom fighters, etc.

Most importantly: you name things right, then everything becomes clear.
Hyperbole ? Sarcasm ?

the name of the Album of the Randy Newmans song is "Little criminals"…funny, right?
Yes that is his name! old fart I only heard the song on the radio a few times years ago, not the whole album. But he wrote some other songs I liked too. Can't remember the names.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 6:36 a.m. PST

Legion, your point about what to do with a sudden influx of a large number of refugees is well taken. The logistics must be a tremendous strain, but nobody in the media has said much about this. Maybe if we talked about the impact we would have a better idea of what the whole thing means for the people who live there, and the Haitians. The rest of need to know how the town is getting through this. The bomb threats, the social media attacks, right wing pet stories, suck up all the attention. What about the economic impact, housing, food, jobs, health care?

Nine pound round22 Sep 2024 6:37 a.m. PST

Ah, Legion- your problem is that you are too honest a man to conceive how the process works. Here's a thumbnail:

A "nongovernmental" organization in DC or New York is promoting the cause of "asylum" for various, ostensibly disinterested and noble reasons; they raise money from well-meaning Americans with tales of woe and PowerPoint presentations. To do this, their well-connected CEO is paid over a million dollars; she and her staff constantly lobby politicians of both parties about the cause of the poor benighted people in country X, and create the legal and regulatory circumstances that allow the importation of these people to the US.

When they need a destination, she turns to a mayor she has met through her network of contacts (you meet a lot of friendly people fundraising), and she asks the mayor for assistance. Nobody gets to be a mayor without having a lot of contacts. Housing is a problem, but while it's tough for a landlord to turn out his tenants if they smoke dope or sell crack, it's easier if he enjoys the support of the local mayor (who knows the judge who will hear the case). The NGO offers to pay a per-person rate to the landlord that greatly exceeds the rate the native inhabitants are paying. The current renters are turned out, and given housing that is paid for by the NGO, while the "asylum seekers" wait on a legal process that could take years. Publicly, the entire process enjoys legal protection and a glossy moral patina of selflessness.

Meanwhile, they have to be found work. But there's a solution: not needing to pay rent, they can work more cheaply than the native Americans they will displace! So, at that discounted rate, they are hired to do "jobs American won't do," and the local power structure, greased with favors and contributions by the mayor, acquiesces in something that the law might normally prohibit- there are, after all, a lot of ways employment cases can be tossed on "technicalities."

And the mayor? He gains an apartment building full of grateful voters, of course. Everybody in this transaction wins – except for the ordinary Americans who lose by it.

I am no fan of Donald Trump. But I understand exactly why he is basically in a dead heat with the newly selected face of this system, and I don't think it's possible for the country to sustain this act indefinitely.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 7:17 a.m. PST

Here is he CNN version. Interesting quotes from state and local officials.

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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 8:21 a.m. PST

Dogtail, yes correct, the burning was before the Civil War. But you are incorrect about Pearl Harbor. That and the other attacks on US protectorates was an attack on the U.S. and civilians as well as the military died. Japan if victorious, would have eventually made an attempt on the West coast of the US.

Nine pound round22 Sep 2024 8:26 a.m. PST

And that is how it is presented by the dishonest to the credulous, for broad dissemination by the foolish, as a natural and unavoidable process to be assisted, and validated with your vote at the next election.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 8:38 a.m. PST

Just some, not all classified as insurrections. Many after the Civil War and more violent than January 6th and destructive. Yes technically January 6th was an insurrection, but much less violent than most of not all and the only person killed by bullet, was a White unarmed female US Air Force Veteran by a black capital hill police officer.

Insurrections in American History: 18th, 19th and 20th Centuries

Bacon's Rebellion
Boston Revolt
Shays' Rebellion, January 1786
The Memphis and New Orleans Riots of 1866
Wilmington Coup D'État of 1898
Ocoee Riot, November 3, 1920
Protests at UC Berkeley, Free Speech Movement 1965
New York City draft riots
Nat Turner's Rebellion
Battle of Blair Mountain
Battle of Athens
1992 Los Angeles riots
1811 German Coast uprising
John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry
Zoot Suit Riots
Black power movement
Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge
Capitol Hill Occupied Protest

Nine pound round22 Sep 2024 8:53 a.m. PST

You forgot the Whiskey Rebellion!

There is a reason George Will once described professional football as revolving around two of America's worst traits: "violence, and committee meetings."

35th, IIRC, the list of official war aims that the Japanese cabinet created before Midway included annexation of Washington and Oregon.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 9:02 a.m. PST

Springfield

1) I live 28 miles away, so see postings by people who live there and more local information.
2) Springfield is not alone. The government is doing this to other small red area towns elsewhere. Pennsylvania and Alabama have ones I know of.
3) the Haitians have taken foul from local ponds and lakes. (They can have the Canadian Geese).
4) They are increasing the crime rate. They are causing accidents and most if not all have no insurance.
5) they are increasingly the cost of rent for in the area and straining the resources to the max.
6) they are replacing US workers. This can be blamed on those who run the corporations as well as the government.
7) they are obtaining firearms, even though they should not be allowed to. But the government is passing the background checks through and seem to be putting pressure on the gun stores to do it. (Why?).
8) dumping almost the equivalent of half the population of the area is unacceptable and ridiculously stupid and short sighted, unless there are alternative reasons.

Some, but I have more

She worked in a gun store in Springfield, Ohio and they sold guns to Haitian migrants.

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Resident describes life in Springfield — It's hell on wheels.

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Subject: EXCLUSIVE: Shoplifting And Vehicle Thefts Soared As Haitian Migrants Poured Into Ohio Town, Police Data Shows | The Daily Caller


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Subject: Collin Rugg on X: "Springfield, Ohio woman says homeless Haitians are trying to camp out on her front yard, says she "wants out of this town." "I have men that cannot speak English in my front yard, screaming at me, throwing mattresses in my front yard." "Look at me, I weigh 95 pounds. I couldn't t.co/eShzG8grC1 / X

More from Springfield Ohio

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Subject: Angry Springfield, Ohio Residents GO OFF at City Commission Meeting as Haitian Illegals Run Wild, Flip Cars, Decapitate Ducks in Parks and Eat Them (VIDEO)


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Subject: Charlie Kirk on X: "Springfield, OH isn't about pets and geese disappearing, it's about the disdain the ruling class has for everyday Americans, and its step-by-step destruction plan for the heartland. WATCH: t.co/EfMR5hItOw / X


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Subject: Watch: Resident Of PA Manufacturing Town Exposes Reality Of Haitian 'Great Job Replacement' | ZeroHedge

Go by the exit to this city every 2 or 3 years.

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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 9:04 a.m. PST

"You forgot the Whiskey Rebellion!

There is a reason George Will once described professional football as revolving around two of America's worst traits: "violence, and committee meetings."

35th, IIRC, the list of official war aims that the Japanese cabinet created before Midway included annexation of Washington and Oregon."

I didn't forget, just placed some in. 🙂

Yes, that is what I was saying about taking the west coast.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 9:56 a.m. PST

Oh and Bomb threats were from overseas bots, according to the Governor. So fake.

Subject: Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Reveals 33 Bomb Threats in Springfield 'Have All Been Hoaxes' from 'Overseas'

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 11:15 a.m. PST

Legion, your point about what to do with a sudden influx of a large number of refugees is well taken. The logistics must be a tremendous strain, but nobody in the media has said much about this.
Of course the numbers of aliens brought to Springfield by the US Gov't is pure folly. But it is an election year.

And I believe the media for the most part have become so polarized to one side. They refuse to see the reality and/or don't care. It does not fix their narrative and agenda.

But like our elected and appointed leaders in DC/WH, etc. These huge number of aliens allowed into the US by the Fed Gov't. They will not be affected in any way. As opposed to many of "we the people" … E.g. Springfield, OH …

Ah, Legion- your problem is that you are too honest a man to conceive how the process works.
I guess you are correct … all I can say my parents must have done pretty a good job …

Honesty, integrity, etc. must be very foreign to many in our Gov't and media. But … I'm too old to change now ! 👴 old fart 😎 But truth be told … I am no angel !
😇😉

Here's a thumbnail:
Yes, I agree with your evaluation of this situation. Very, very sad to see what the USA, the nation many of us took an oath to defend has gone to 💩 …

I live 28 miles away,
That is a bit too close for comfort, I'd think. I'm like 3 hrs. or more away. Regardless, "keep your[our]powder dry". We know nothing about any of these aliens in Springfield, OH. Any more than the millions of illegal aliens that the US gov't has let in.

Paranoid … No … Just common sense …

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 12:39 p.m. PST

The Springfield crime rate has been going down. Except for traffic violations. There is a lot of consensus around what the government is saying. Of course, you may take this with a grain of salt, as I would with Brietbart or a woman on X.
You distrust the government, but not these people. I mostly believe state and local official here.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 1:41 p.m. PST

This from the city itself. 1999 people in county jail, 2 are Haitian. How can you make the gloomy version add up? I looked around, could not find much reference to a Haitian crime wave. Even communicable diseases are down.
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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 6:08 p.m. PST

Tort please believe what you would like, it is your option. 🙂


I live 28 miles away. Springfield was higher in crime before the Haitians arrived. It is not better with them here. Of course the city government is going to say what the party tells them to say. Do you believe the city does not receive a crap load of taxpayer cash for bringing them in? The MSM is complicate in covering up anything that happens there, they don't want to cost the Democrats votes. If something starts stinks, it normally means something is rotten.

When you search Google with "springfield ohio", you get positive MSM stories on Springfield or anti Trump stories on Springfield.

Please ask yourself, why would 15 to 20,000 Haitian migrants "all" go to a small Midwestern town with not a lot of jobs available and the info structure that is not set up to handle or support them? Why Charleroi Pennsylvania, a town of roughly 4,200? They somehow heard there were some jobs at frozen food companies out in the middle of nowhere, for which they have to be bussed daily? Why the town of Alabama?

Why were all the illegals placed in border states, until Abbot and DeSantis started shipping them elsewhere? Were not most Red States?

You can choose to believe the government, but I'll choose not to. They have lied too much in the last 18 years for me to believe the majority of what they say.

Afghanistan, Russian collusion, Hunter Biden laptop, Covid origins, Covid vaccines, masks, school closers, the President is not cognitively challenged, they did not stage a bloodless coup, the list goes on and on.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2024 7:34 p.m. PST

OVI +1 …

Tort your posts' make it sound like every rural small community should have 15,000-20,000 immigrants, sanctioned or illegal sent to their town. And everything just gets "better" since their arrival … Kind of goes against any logic or reason, IMO. I could be wrong ?

And again, that huge number introduced into a small town. Can only make things worse for those towns people. As again, where are these people housed, who feeds them, what about medical and education support, who pays for them, etc., etc. ?

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2024 4:26 a.m. PST

Legion… That is not what I am saying! I only disagree about part of this because the city info and the crime data don't fit the political narrative. First, I was interested in what it costs to be transformed by so many sudden arrivals, and I agreed with your point and questions.

Second, after the pet eating thing in the debate, I wanted to know what was really happening there. And the data and the city itself explain a lot. It does not look like some invasion of criminals. But it does create a lot of issues. If you read that FAQ, you get the Repubs on the ground there telling you what is happening. If you don't believe this, that's your choice, no problem here.

This is a Repub-run town, why did they allow this? The feds did not put those people there. There were jobs in a decent manufacturing economy, they have big extended families and word of mouth spread the word. But what about this sudden massive transformation for them and us? We have our heritage and culture, they have theirs. I fear losing ours because of the massive scale of change. Too much, too fast.

In the end,I come from the same place you do. I am fighting for my small town to hold onto its middle class after GE and the mills bailed out of here 30 years ago. I believe strongly in local control. Incremental change. Reasonable rules and regulations. I trust almost nobody, but I make the best choices I can by my standards. And we don't have a lot of immigrants here. Our invasion is by very wealthy elites, entitled, pushy, grabbing everything they can. Changing us forever, I fear. So I get it.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2024 8:58 a.m. PST

The point is, these crimes were totally unnecessary and could have been prevented. As the article proves, this is not his first time and if he gets out, will be repeated.

I Don't care that they might commit fewer crimes. The fact is any crime they commit, are unnecessary crimes. Any tax money they get, is tax money that was unnecessarily wasted. Any traffic deaths were again, unnecessary and needless.

Lawful immigration is fine. "Temporary" work visas fine. But this must be "legal" or "temporary".

Subject: Families in swing state afraid to let kids play outside after Venezuelan migrant attacks mom, child: lawmaker


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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2024 10:09 a.m. PST

They are even taking jobs away from our criminals. What next?! What would Capone think? 🤔

Subject: Chicago gangbangers rage against newly arrived Venezuelan migrants as Tren de Aragua moves in: ‘City is going to go up in flames'


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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2024 11:37 a.m. PST

I am not disagreeing with the big picture. And anecdotes are part of the story. But when a portrayal might be misleading it is worth pointing out.

I agree with some of your list. But we could also make a long list from on the other side, go back to the "Obama was not born in America"thing on which Trump launched his political career. We would be here all day going back and forth.

In Chicago, it does not matter where you come from. Or politics. Like in every urban area it's about turf and money. It is its own world. Gangs complaining about gangs? After already serving time for the same crimes? They did that same stuff when they could. This goes back decades. Somebody always fill a void.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2024 3:48 p.m. PST

I only disagree about part of this because the city info and the crime data don't fit the political narrative.
Again, I see your point somewhat. But again, is that data biased, skewed, etc. to fit another agenda/narrative. That appears to state there are less problems with 15,000-20,000 Fed Gov't sanction people from a foreign nation. Being injected into a small/medium rural town. In the "Heartland" of the USA … Not NYC, LA, etc.

Second, after the pet eating thing in the debate,
As I said I thought that was a false story, fake news if you will, not long after hearing about it.

My bottom line many pf the elected and appointed members the US Fed Gov't are in violation of the Constitution, as well as a number of other laws. Allowing our borders to be overrun by millions of illegal aliens. Flying in thousands of Gov't sanctioned aliens. It quickly became clear, along with this flood of illegals came criminals, drugs, sex traffickers, etc., etc. Those threated US citizens, even murdering some directly or killing some indirectly with illegal drugs, etc. …

Some of the elected Fed Gov't officials are very well aware of what is happening. They sanctioned it, actively supported it, etc. They made it clear the border was open and you will be taken care of with housing, food, medical, etc. Which IMO and others is part of a larger plan regardless of how many US citizens die in the process of executing this plan. Which many Americans do not approve of. Or wouldn't if they knew about the truth of this plan. And no I'm not wearing a tinfoilhat

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2024 4:24 p.m. PST

Subject: Springfield, OH Crime Rates: Stats & Map


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Subject: Springfield, OH Crime Rates and Statistics – NeighborhoodScout


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Nine pound round23 Sep 2024 6:19 p.m. PST

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So….I'm revising my estimate of the marksmanship of the blue hair/tattoo/nose ring crowd down a couple of more notches. I'm guessing the guy who taped the sight to the rifle with electrical tape didn't understand the concept of "zeroing the weapon." Trump would've been in more danger from any Florida kid with a BB gun.

Looks like marksmanship is also a job Americans don't do any more- which may explain why we're letting so many foreign gangbangers into the country.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2024 6:55 p.m. PST

35th – this is very different than what the city is telling us. I see your point.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2024 7:50 a.m. PST

He asks many of the questions I am asking?
This does not make sense. Also STILL no information on the encrypted calls overseas by assassin #1!! Would you trust what they told you now anyway???


Subject: Trump was closer to death than we thought.

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2024 10:46 a.m. PST

9lbs Rd. +1

this is very different than what the city is telling us
I saw a report that says similar to the links 35th posted. Like the pet eating rumors, what is actually happening with the sanctioned immigrants flown into Springfield… Still needs to be somewhat verified …

Reports this morning said about 2 million have been flown in by the current US gov't. So, at this point who knows how many had been flown in or actually crossed the border ?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2024 11:19 a.m. PST

"Reports this morning said about 2 million have been flown in by the current US gov't. So, at this point who knows how many had been flown in or actually crossed the border ?"

I bet we paid for those flights.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2024 5:13 p.m. PST

From what I understand this was a totally US initiative from the WH, the US sanctioned and paid for it with taxpayers' $. USD

But like many things those currently in charge thought no one would know about it.

Nine pound round24 Sep 2024 6:08 p.m. PST

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Her ya go, 35th- echoing your point about the rhetorical environment that's encouraging political assassination.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2024 6:34 p.m. PST

Nine, yes exactly. I have people repeat these same things to me directly. Exactly the same sound bites, word for word.

SBminisguy25 Sep 2024 12:21 p.m. PST

Huzzah! The FCC has stepped outside of norms and approved the purchase by a Soros-backed group of 220 radio stations, creating a monopoly that did not exist and grabbing control of a largely conservative and libertarian medium that reaches 165 million people.

FCC Fast-Tracks George Soros Purchase of 220+ Radio Stations Before Election

The FCC just fast-tracked George Soros' purchase of 220+ radio stations before November's election.

The stations reach 165M Americans.

This has never been done before.

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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2024 12:34 p.m. PST

If one is really looking for a true threat to democracy, Soros and his family are the ones. This is only one of the reasons.

One might think he is trying to get even with the Allies for their victory over the Nazis on WW2.

SBminisguy25 Sep 2024 5:41 p.m. PST

One might think he is trying to get even with the Allies for their victory over the Nazis on WW2.

I read Soros' "Open Society" book to see what his philosophy is. It boils down to a simplistic utopian vision: his great lesson from WW2 is that nationalism and differences between nations causes conflict. No more nations or nationalism, no more conflict -- oh, and that society needs to be managed by smart people like him for the benefit of all.

So his solution is to break the nation-state down by various means (e.g. Cloward-Piven, or radical DAs that destroy faith in the system, etc), attack the foundations of nationalism (pride in and love of nation) via deconstructionist "education" that erodes the sense of citizenship, and indoctrinates youngsters into the new order.

In short -- crash the system like he did to earn his billions crashing currencies and economies. Find weaknesses and leverage points, exploit these weaknesses and pressure the system from multiple angles to create fear and doubt by the target, and bring it down. That's what he did to crash the Thai and Malayasian economies and spark the Asian Financial Crisis, how he crashed the British Pound, how he crashed the Mexican Peso.

The ultimate goal is a One World Government run by him, his cronies and puppets. His philosophy is inherently more fascist than marxist, but those are just two sides of the same coin – totalitarian socialism.

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