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hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2023 2:01 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

As I only own and like 25mm MiniFigs, I note that for my dear distant ancestors the Sub-Roman British, there are only at Minifigs, the references illustrated in the WRG books:

Ian Heath, Armies of the Dark Ages 600 -1066, Wargames Research Group, 1976

and

Ian Heath, Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066, Second Edition, Wargames Research Group, 1980.

Very good, but as indicated in their titles these works only study the Armies of the Dark Ages from the year 600 AD.

Except between the "departure" of the Romans and the year 600 AD the Sub-Roman British also existed and fought wars.

Unfortunately for an unknown reason, for the 5th and 6th centuries, the Sub-Roman British unlike the Saxons, which are found for all periods of their history, are not illustrated in the works of the Wargames Research Group before the year 600 AD.

What 25mm MiniFigs can I use for 5th century Sub-Roman British?

And for the Sub-Roman British of the 6th century.

And the Sub-Roman British designed by Ian Heath and sold by MiniFigs, their "armors" seem very ancient to me for the 7th century and after?

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IanWillcocks07 Dec 2023 3:17 a.m. PST

Hello Paskal, I don't know what figures MiniFigs have but I would use Late Roman for the 5th Century and I have read somewhere that some think that by the 6th Century, the British would look much like their Angle and Saxon opponents? There is a new Osprey book on Romano British and Gallo Romans?

gavandjosh0207 Dec 2023 9:52 p.m. PST

The WRG armies and enemies of Imperial Rome covers to 600 AD. It may have something on Saxons of your requested period.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2023 4:30 a.m. PST

@IanWillcocks

Yes I have it and I saw "pedyt" (foot soldiers) and Celtic horsemen equipped with this type of armor called "caenet" in the book WRG by Ian Heath, Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066 (Photo above).

It is written on page 48 of Osprey ELI N°248 "The great majority of the armor worn by the britons('Welsh') is likely to have been made of leather and/other perishable organic material.

So I was wondering, until that at that time the Breton islanders wore this type of armor.

@gavandjosh02

Yes but the WRG book by Ian Heath, Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066 covers the period from 600 AD not before.

The illustrations of Saxons (just like the figures of saxons warriors in the Imperial Rome and Dark Ages Minifigs 25 mm figure ranges) are very different in the WRG book by Phil Barker, Armies and Enemies of Imperial Rome and in the WRG book by Ian Heath, Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066, yet uniforms did not exist among the Saxons, therefore the fashions of clothing had changed and I wonder if the Saxon figurines from the different minifigs ranges are interchangeable?

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