Col Durnford ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 Nov 2023 10:11 a.m. PST |
I have a couple of Hobgoblins with whips that I would like to add to some goblin units to encourage them. I'm using Dragon Rampant. The hobgoblins would be treated as key figures. What adjustments would you suggest? |
jwebster ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 Nov 2023 11:16 a.m. PST |
I wouldn't tweak beyond the rules, otherwise risk spoiling the balance So the unit could be elite, it could have the poison bonus (extra damage), just call it a whip bonus. There are several others that could be used John |
Herkybird ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 Nov 2023 12:45 p.m. PST |
Or, you could try Oathmark and use them as Unit Leaders!!! |
Eumelus ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 Nov 2023 1:05 p.m. PST |
Assuming the goblins are Light Foot, whips at the back might indicate that they have the Offensive option (making them better at attacking). |
Col Durnford ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 Nov 2023 1:15 p.m. PST |
Some good ideas. I was thinking along the lines of a bonus to move roll or perhaps one for morale rolls. Offensive makes them more likely to charge and I'm that sure a whip will influence their willingness to face the enemy. |
robert piepenbrink ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 Nov 2023 2:11 p.m. PST |
Changing the stats should change the points. I take it "key figures" is a second edition thing? Speaking from ignorance, I'd suggest a roll when the unit takes casualties, loss of hobgoblins affecting morale. |
evilgong | 30 Nov 2023 3:38 p.m. PST |
Tolkien's rare blunder. Mythically hobgoblins are _smaller_ goblins not larger, something he later acknowledged. David F Brown |
Col Durnford ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 01 Dec 2023 8:33 a.m. PST |
Another thought on my part. Keep all the stats the same, but allow a re-roll for a failure. |
arthur1815 | 02 Dec 2023 8:48 a.m. PST |
No reason why smaller goblins, especially if possessing whips, couldn't lead bigger ones – look at Napoleon. |
Col Durnford ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 03 Dec 2023 2:01 p.m. PST |
Final decision. I will treat the hobgoblins with whips like the special characters listed on page 72 of Lion Rampant. The only difference will be the +1 will be for movement tests (not courage). They will be at a cost of 1 point per unit. |