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Henry Martini25 Nov 2023 4:52 p.m. PST

I know that Battle Flag has two sets of royal transfers, one French and the other Imperial, and a set for the Teutonic Knights, but does anyone know of sources for non-military orders shield and other transfers for French, German, Italian, or Spanish armies?

Mirosav25 Nov 2023 5:56 p.m. PST

I have used his Greek transfers and they are great:

link

GurKhan26 Nov 2023 5:54 a.m. PST

Mirliton do some very nice Italian shield designs, but I believe they are paper covers to be stuck over the shield, not transfers as such.

Swampster26 Nov 2023 4:20 p.m. PST

Battle Flag does have HYW French sets as well. Some of these will work for the 13th century.
I suspect any source of transfers is going to very limited in variety and very specific to certain makes (and there are a few things I've seen which I'm wary of – I'm surprised to see Edward I's lions that way around).

If you use the Mirliton idea of cut-out paper prints, or get some 'make your own transfer' sheets, there are a lot of online sources for heraldry to print your own. It takes a bit of time to narrow down which were used in the 13th century though.

IGWARG1 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian26 Nov 2023 5:28 p.m. PST

Those Destroy Carthage decals look great! I will defiantly order some.

Henry Martini26 Nov 2023 6:43 p.m. PST

I was hoping to avoid the DIY option, Swampster.

It seems there's no end of ready-to-use British Isles designs on the hobby market, but continental designs get marginal attention in comparison.

Can you specify which Battle Flag HYW designs are 13th century-appropriate?

Thanks for the Mirliton tip Gurkan; I'll definitely have a look at their prints, although I expect that they're specifically sized for that company's shields.

Swampster27 Nov 2023 2:33 a.m. PST

AS long as you are not worried about representing specific people, it looks like any of the HYW set would work for the 13th century the are relatively simple unlike some from the later 14th and 15th centuries. The de Mailly arms, for instance, are the inverse of von Hammerstein who carried the arms at Worringen in 1288 so the right style for the period. I had a look to see if the de Maillys were using those arms in the 13th and could only find the same design but in or with the hammers in vert.

One likely problem is that the transfers are designed to fit Kingmaker figures so may not work with others.

Most of them would be straightforward enough to paint, especially d'Harcourt. Draw the design on the figure first. If you can't get lions etc. right, LBMS do some which can be applied once you have done the main colours e.g link

Distinctive devices from Spain, Italy and Germany are probably harder to find, though Poland is quite well served – many of the Tannenberg era devices are usable in the 13th as well.

15mm is easier amazing how a couple of squiggles looks like a lion.

P.

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