"Who Was More To Blame For The Cold War" Topic

Of possible interest?

Free to read

link

Armand

Could be the guys who kept massive amounts of territory they conquered after WWII and still hold some of it today, or maybe it was the guys who supported the invasion of South Korea, or perhaps it was the people who spied on their allies and stole nuclear secrets and used the information to build atomic and nuclear bombs?

But that's just speculation on my part.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

The alien lizards manipulating us all.

Or the Swiss.

That looks like someone's high school history paper, first draft….

It was Antifa..no, I mean the far right…no I mean, yeah I agree with GurKhan, it was the Swiss and their evil plotting for world domination…

But more seriously, the idea of the CW in the US was spurned by the Kennan Telegram. It was instrumental in shaping, very quickly, the Cold War ethos, and led, again, within just a decade or so, to the solidification of the US as a ever vigilant security state who saw themselves as the sole global bulwark against those that challenged the liberal economic trading order (note the current US' government's globalist world view is a continuation of this policy-free trade, not free people, dominates those theories).

But the telegram itself was just letters on paper until Stalin green-lit, as Bunkermeister points out, the Korean War in the greatest strategic mis-calculation of all time-Stalin refused to believe the US would fight for Korea. Kennan would have just simply stated "my point is proven."

In effect, the Soviet government increasingly proved Kennan's points (Korea, Hungary, loose ties to communist insurgent movements in France, Italy and Greece that led to open civil warfare in those places in the late 1940's), well before the US took the more aggressive steps that we now know solidified the Cold War (arms race, build up of forces in Germany, defense of Korea, involvement in Vietnam, etc…).

Stalin's miscalculation and Soviet paranoia, which fed US paranoia…and the cookie crumbled from there…and we still pay for it, both literally and figuratively today.

My .02 cents…

+1 Bunker

Was that written by an eleven year old?

Maggot +1

Given Stalin's world view, it would have been difficult to avoid a Cold War but various American actions certainly didn't help.

I'm inclined to go beyond a 'bad guys vs good guys' view of history but it's hard to argue that a Russian dominated globe would have been better than a US dominated one.

Thanks

Armand

Soviet dominated globe. One big gulag driven thru and thru with poverty.

Take a look at North and South Korea at night if you need more proof.

+1 Col Durnford.

We can launch a satellite but our people are starving, in the dark, in the cold.

Bunkermeister

No argument that late 20th century Soviet Russia would be a worse place to live in than the same period US.

It is something greater than Russia/US. Any country that gets stuck with A Marxist government will become a police state with equality of misery. The only exception is for the party leaders and when one them falls out of favor, the exit interview is short and ends with a bang.

Take a close look at African nations that have taken the same path.

One thing to consider….don't look at 1945, look at 1925. The communists were very expansionistic. Between 1919 and 1939 all of the Russian Empire was brought under the Soviet Union through force of arms, except for Finland, only because the Finns fought them off. Europe was saved from a Soviet invasion by the Poles, who later fell to a Nazi/Soviet invasion. Plus the communists were heavily involved in China. To not prepare to fight the Soviets would have been foolish.

Post WWII simply proved the West right. The Soviets kept eastern Europe, and expanded into Asia, Africa, and Central and South America.

Or, it was the Swiss lizards.

Dn Jackson + 1

Armand