"DBA 2.2 clarification" Topic
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vonSchwartz04 | 14 Nov 2023 5:20 p.m. PST |
Page 22, Rear support factors, do spears get to use a second rank of spears AND Psiloi in support One more, I was reading that chariots, especially heavy chariots, emphasized shooting, if so, shouldn't there be distant shooting factors? |
jhancock | 14 Nov 2023 6:57 p.m. PST |
I recommend you pose your questions on the Fanaticus forums at fanaticus.boards.net Also, if you use Facebook, there is a DBA group and a DBA & HOTT group. All three are active groups discussing DBA and variants. |
Archon64 | 14 Nov 2023 9:53 p.m. PST |
Facebook is great. Ask a question and you will get 20 replies, with 20 different answers. |
Dexter Ward | 15 Nov 2023 4:04 a.m. PST |
Chariots shot at very short range, like horse archers, so use of bows would be reflected in combat outcomes, recoiling or fleeing instead of being destroyed when losing |
miniMo | 15 Nov 2023 8:12 a.m. PST |
Yes, both support factors apply. 5 Spears with a Psiloi in the pocket is a strong fighting block. With the ground scale of DBA, only massed volley fire troops have ranged combat; the skirmishers and mounted missiles are all rolled into melee. |
Eumelus | 15 Nov 2023 8:32 a.m. PST |
Been a long time since I played 2.2, but I don't think the rules text allows both support bonuses. Quote: "…Spears add +1 if in frontal combat vs Knights or Spears, if in either case they are supported by a friendly element of the same type lined up directly behind and facing the same direction, and neither supported nor supporting element is in bad going. Spears, Blades, or Auxilia add +1 if fighting mounted troops or Warband… while supported by a single friendly element of Psiloi lined up in contact directly behind them or directly behind a friendly element of the same type in side edge and front corner-to- front corner contact with them." I don't think the lead Spear element can have both a supporting Spear AND a supporting Psiloi "directly behind" them. |
Eumelus | 15 Nov 2023 9:17 a.m. PST |
Never mind, I just figured out what miniMo was describing. A single Spear backed by a Psiloi, flanked on either side by double-ranked Spears. OK, yeah that's perfectly legal (and quite potent against the applicable foe types). |
vonSchwartz04 | 16 Nov 2023 6:26 p.m. PST |
Eumelus and miniMo, thanks, sounds like a potent formation. However, after posting my original question, I was rereading a section on pages 112-113 regarding possible game variations. On page 113, is a sub-section titled "Battles With 7th Edition Armies", in a section talking about provisions for rear support, it states: Blades, spears, auxila or bows +1 if a single 2nd to 5th rank is of bows or bow armed psiloi. And I also saw a sentence below that that says: Knights, cavalry, or light horse +1 for a single extra rank of psiloi or of bow armed cavalry or light horse, that'll give the mounted arm a little more kick! |
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