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Rod MacArthur12 Nov 2023 8:29 a.m. PST

I have just completed my models for 2 Armoured Battalion Irish Guards, which I plan to use in Rapid Fire Market Garden scenarios. You can read all about it here:

link

Rod

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2023 1:41 p.m. PST

They came up nicely, Rod. Will you be doing Cromwells for the 2 Welsh recce regiment?

advocate13 Nov 2023 2:50 a.m. PST

And mightily bored we'll be?


Sorry, couldn't resist the open goal. I'll get my coat.

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP13 Nov 2023 12:54 p.m. PST

Sorry, couldn't resist the open goal.

Would you mind explaining what you mean to the dumb colonial, advocate?

Stoppage13 Nov 2023 4:05 p.m. PST

@dg – Appears to be a cinema quote:


IMDB – A Bridge Too Far (1977)

[Horrocks is about to brief his XXX Corps on Operation Market Garden]

Lt. General Horrocks : Gentlemen, this is a story that you shall tell your grandchildren, and mightily bored they'll be.

[the entire corps laughs]

Stoppage13 Nov 2023 4:09 p.m. PST

@RMacA:

Those models look ACE.

(You aren't going to set them alight with your Ronson when they brew-up are you?)

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP13 Nov 2023 5:00 p.m. PST

Thanks, Stoppage. I should have made the connection, but I was thinking about the run from the beaches to Belgium, not air pollution in Holland. :-)

Rod MacArthur15 Nov 2023 12:29 p.m. PST

Dai,

I could do 2 Welsh Guards Recce Regiment on their Cromwells, since I do have some card models of Cromwells. However my priority is 5 Gds Bde and they were normally in 32 Gds Bde.

Rod

Rod MacArthur15 Nov 2023 1:16 p.m. PST

Stoppage,

I gave up smoking 55 years ago, when I was 25, so don't have a Ronson. My local wargame club meets in a village hall with no smoking allowed, so that would prevent a real incendiary brew-up. Paperboys make a nice brew-up marker, so you can remove the turrets and fit that over the turret axle.

Rod

Stoppage16 Nov 2023 3:53 a.m. PST

@RMacA

Inappropriate and poor joke on my part – detracting from the excellence of your models.

'Ronson' was the enemy nick-name for Shermans (probably due to the ease of setting them alight – at least the earlier marks)

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2023 4:37 p.m. PST

However my priority is 5 Gds Bde

Still picking the show ponies, Rod? :-)

Rod MacArthur16 Nov 2023 4:42 p.m. PST

Dai,
Just picking the units who led the XXX Corps advance.
Rod

Martin Rapier17 Nov 2023 11:05 a.m. PST

Ronson was an Allied term for Shermans. "Light every time!", although reputedly that slogan wasn't adopted by the Ronson company until after the war, so it may be a postwar appellation, like calling Sherman Vc "Fireflies".

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2023 5:18 p.m. PST

Just picking the units who led the XXX Corps advance.

Are you doing the whole run from the ditch to Arnhem, Rod, or just parts? M-G has always fascinated me and the different viewpoints of Ryan, Kershaw and Niellands are always good bases for a robust discussion.

Rod MacArthur18 Nov 2023 6:23 a.m. PST

Dai,

I am using Rapid Fire rules, so basing it on their scenarios in their 2020 revised Market Garden scenarios. The hard copy is a single book, but there are separate Kindle versions for each scenario.

I am starting with making all the units for scenario 1 "XXX Corps Breakout", but will then move into making the units for each other scenario in turn, ending up with the final scenario 6 "Out of Ammunition: God Save the King". The original Rapid Fire Market Garden supplement had a couple of extra scenarios, so I will make sure I have the troops for those as well.

I have got Ryan and Kershaw. I don't know about Niellands and will look that up. I also have Beevor, Buckingham and Middlebrook, plus Urquhart's and Frost's memoirs. I have the Guards Armoured Division History and Glider Pilot History plus lots of Ospreys and biographies of Horrocks and Browning.

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2023 7:38 p.m. PST

Robin Nielland's book is The battle for the Rhine 1944. He's more pro- than anti-Montgomery, but isn't an apologist, and seems to see himself as a bit of a myth buster. He also maps out his arguments very well. His chapter on Nijmegen answers a few questions I've always had, reference what the GAD were doing before and after the bridge was captured. As I suspected they weren't sitting around having a cuppa and spam sangers, as some histories would have us believe.

I have Frost and Middlebrook, have read Buckingham (that's Arnhem 1944?) and Urquhart (that was a long time ago). I didn't know about Beevor (my wallet may hate you).

Please keep us posted on how it all plays out, Rod. I've never played the campaign/battles using mini's, but I have played the full campaign version of the SPI monster and the John Tiller/WDS computer game.

Rod MacArthur19 Nov 2023 8:40 a.m. PST

Dai,
Thanks for that. I have now bought the Kindle edition of "Battle for the Rhine 1944". Yes, Buckingham is "Arnhem 1944". Beevor is "Arnhem – The Battle for the Bridges 1944". It is only £4.99 GBP on Kindle. I buy most of my books on Kindle now, since I have hundreds of hardbacks and paperbacks, with no more room on the shelves in my study/library/wargames room.
Rod

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