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bkim417531 Oct 2023 6:48 p.m. PST

I am looking to build a couple of Russian divisions for this period. I have a couple of questions I have not been able to find info on.
When the grenadier regiments changed to the shako's what hats did the Fusilier companies switch to- the musketeer or grenadier versions of the shako (pom-pom vs busch plume)?
Also, what strengths should I use for the different battalions. I like to make my battalions as strong as possible then adjust them for various scenarios. The same goes for my cavalry. This allows for differences between early in the campaign vs later in the campaign.

Prince of Essling01 Nov 2023 1:29 a.m. PST

From Viskovatov Volume 10B (translation by Mark Conrad):

"13 February 1805 — In all Grenadier regiments, the former grenadier and fusilier caps of combatant lower ranks are replaced by new ones based on the pattern established in 1803 for non-combatants, except not quilted. There is a brass grenade above the cockade; with a brass button on the chin strap and with a thick horsehair plume. 19 1/4 inches high and about 8 inches wide (Illus. 1299). For privates this plume is completely black and the shako is without any other decoration besides the grenade, cockade, and small pompon (Illus. 1299). For non commissioned officers the plumes have a white top with a yellow stripe in its middle and the shakos have gold galloon around the top edge of the crown (Illus. 1300-1); for company drummers and for fifers the plumes are red and the shakos are as for privates (Illus. 1302); for battalion and regimental drummers and for musicians the plumes are red with the tops and the shakos as for non commissioned officers (Illus. 1302) (678).
12 June 1805— For Fusilier battalions of Grenadier regiments, the previously described shakos are ordered not to have grenades (679)."

The earlier entry says:
"19 August 1803 — Non combatant lower ranks of Grenadier regiments are given round shakos [shapki] in place of the tricorn hat. These are 7 7/8 inches high, of black cloth, with two flaps of similar material sewn inside and used to protect the ears and cheeks during freezing weather. They have a lacquered visor of black leather fastened in three places by small iron hooks and eyes, and a similar black leather chin strap. A black cockade with a surrounding orange stripe and a brass button in the middle is sewn on the front of the shako, and above the cockade are two woollen pompons [kisti] of the same colours as were prescribed on 6 June 1802. Between the lower pompon and the cockade button is fastened a loop of black woollen tape (Illus. 1293-4). These shakos are lined upright with straw, quilted through the whole height, while the lower [sic, should be upper? — M.C.] edge is trimmed with black leather. Those holding non commissioned officer ranks have gold galloon around the upper edge, 7/8 inch wide, and the lower pompon is divided crosswise into four parts, two of which are white and two black with orange, as on grenadier caps for non commissioned officers (673)."

Prince of Essling01 Nov 2023 6:12 a.m. PST

To refer to the illustrations referenced above in Viskovatov Volume 10 (unfortunately this copy is not in colour): PDF link

Here is the link to Mark Conrad's translation of Volume 10B link

Cuprum201 Nov 2023 8:04 p.m. PST

Unfortunately, Viskovatov's work is based solely on official decrees. In fact, the troops often had significant deviations from the appearance prescribed by the document.
For example, during the European campaigns of the Russian army in the period of interest, a fashion arose among Russian officers to wear unregulated models of a shako, similar to a soldier's, instead of a hat. Even generals and the emperor himself wore such shakos.

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bkim417502 Nov 2023 3:04 a.m. PST

Thanks to both of you.

NapStein02 Nov 2023 10:00 a.m. PST

I've some images about the Russian infantry of the 1805 period in my uniform portal:

Guard infantry painted by Voltz in 1805-1807: link

Line infantry painted by Voltz in 1805-1807: link

Line infantry of 1805/06 period shown on the Knötel plate: link

Greetings from Berlin
Markus Stein

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