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Deucey Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2023 12:36 p.m. PST

It's under Renaissance.

Consequently, a lot of WorR posts end up here instead of the WotR board.

dapeters16 Oct 2023 1:26 p.m. PST

Let's not get technical LOL

42flanker16 Oct 2023 1:55 p.m. PST

Then he's come to the right place.

rustymusket16 Oct 2023 2:24 p.m. PST

What color patches on ….

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2023 2:44 p.m. PST

The Renaissance technically started around 1400, so…..

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2023 3:22 p.m. PST

Pretty sure my wife would have held that in England, the Middle Ages ended with the death of Richard III and the Renaissance began an hour or so later when Henry VII was crowned.

You guys haven't lived with a SERIOUS redhead and Tudor freak.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2023 3:22 p.m. PST

Wotr us generally regarded as early renaissance these days – although clearly there is an argument for very late mediaeval

Deucey Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2023 3:28 p.m. PST

But it can be in both categories.

The classification isn't the thing. It's just that War of the Roses topics end up in Medieval Discussion. So it's just about improving communication.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian16 Oct 2023 4:06 p.m. PST

I have added it to Medieval. grin

Archon6416 Oct 2023 5:34 p.m. PST

Humble opinion: The last 'medieval' battle was Fornovo in 1495. The first 'renaissance' battle was Pavia in 1525. Thus, WOTR is comfortably 'medieval'.

Garand16 Oct 2023 6:39 p.m. PST

Yes, periodization is a minefield. What constitutes Medieval? What constitutes Renaissance?

That being said, the tradition is that WotR is medieval, so there should it go.


Deucey Supporting Member of TMP17 Oct 2023 1:40 p.m. PST

Thanks Chief Bill!

Sandinista17 Oct 2023 9:01 p.m. PST

If "The last 'medieval' battle was Fornovo in 1495. The first 'renaissance' battle was Pavia in 1525", where do Cerignola 1503, Agnadello 1509 and Ravenna 1512 fit in?

AnselmFranz18 Oct 2023 3:40 a.m. PST

Actually Renaissance is not a very good epoche for political or even military history. It works only for arts and culture, being parallel to the gothic in northern europe until the end of the 15th century.
A better term for the period 1500-1800 would be early modern.

dapeters18 Oct 2023 10:19 a.m. PST

I heard academics argue the Renaissance begins soon after the first crusade. But as AnselmFranz it really depends on where, Itally was in it in the the 14th century Northern Europe after the reformation (this would include England)-MHO

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