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MTCicero11 Oct 2023 7:58 p.m. PST

I have a collection of figures for the conflicts in the Sudan in the 1880's. These are mostly Perry and Essex. I have yet to find anybody who makes a figure that can be used to hold a British flag. The closest are Perry Figures who have an Egyptian command group. Does anybody have any suggestions?

MTCicero11 Oct 2023 7:59 p.m. PST

I have a collection of figures for the conflicts in the Sudan in the 1880's. These are mostly Perry and Essex. I have yet to find anybody who makes a figure that can be used to hold a British flag. The closest are Perry Figures who have an Egyptian command group. Does anybody have any suggestions?

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2023 9:05 p.m. PST

Minifigs has a 25mm one if that helps

45thdiv12 Oct 2023 2:39 a.m. PST

Check the Perry plastic boxes. The Perry's sell the plastic command sprues individually.

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I hope this helps.

Matthew

Glengarry512 Oct 2023 10:34 a.m. PST

I think the Perry British Sudan/Afghanistan command frame would be more appropriate. link

MTCicero14 Oct 2023 11:16 a.m. PST

thanks. I generally stay away from plastics and only collect metal, but might not have a choice here.

Worgaimz15 Oct 2023 1:53 a.m. PST

I may be wrong and more than happy to stand corrected but I believe that British units did not carry standards in the Sudan.
Hence the lack of appropriate figures as standard bearers.

MTCicero15 Oct 2023 8:24 p.m. PST

That is a very interesting point and something I had not considered. Can anyone provide a source for this?

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2023 11:10 a.m. PST

Cut, file, and convert.

I can usually find a figure that will work.

Mad Guru17 Oct 2023 3:20 a.m. PST

Here's some additional info that may be of use…

RE: British Army policy on carrying regimental colours/standards into action at the time of the Sudan Campaign, Worgaimz is correct, this was officially banned in a circular sent to all infantry regiments on January 17, 1882 which ordered that, "In consequence of the altered formation of attack and the extended range of fire, Regimental Colours shall not in future be taken with the battalions on active service."

This was in reaction to the loss of the Queen's Colour from the 1st/24th and both the Queen's and Regimental colours from the 2/24th South Wales Borderers at Isandlwana in 1879 during the Zulu War, the loss of both the Queen's and Regimental colours of the 66th Berkshires at Maiwand in 1880 during the Second Afghan War, and then the near loss of the 58th Rutlandshires colours in 1881 at Laing's Nek, the first battle of the First Boer War, where the lives of several officers were lost in the process of saving the colours from capture by the victorious Boers.

That being said, if you have Perrys in your Sudan collection, prefer metal over plastic, and still want flags for your British Infantry units, then this pack of metal command figures from their "Victoria's Little Wars" range should serve you well, especially if you have troops wearing "Indian service dress":

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Here's a LINK:

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I myself would not deploy standard bearers with British troops in the Sudan, but neither would I hold it against anyone who likes the look of flags with all their units enough to do so. To each their own!

MTCicero22 Oct 2023 8:10 p.m. PST

Thank you very much for the detailed information. I will definitely follow up and grab these figures from the Little Wars range since the figures I currently have are all in Indian Service Dress for the Suakim campaign. However, as an historian the regimental colors will remain on the shelf until the troops return to India.

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