"Hamas vs Israel... again" Topic

I just don't see a lot of everyday Marxists where I live,

I was just repeating an evaluation I heard in the media. And it made sense to me … As I have said before. Instead of Marxism being a class struggle of the Haves & Have Nots. Now it is white oppressors vs everyone else …

and there are some liberal people here

Not all liberals are Marxists …

the Communist Party of America has only 20,000 members and does not participate in elections. Of course there could be many others not formally affiliated.

I'm sure the FBI, etc. know many who are the Commie Party members in the US. Same with Neo-Nazis, KKK, etc. And yes not all Communists in the USA probably don't advertise it. However, I have walked by the US Communists Party office in downtown. But that was years ago …

Antifa is said to have no formal public structure.

Antifa are anarchist supported by wealthy woke progressive liberals Neo-Marxists. Antifa has training as well, if the reports are correct and I believe they are. They operate in cells, they don't really advertise, but come together when they see an opportunity, they go into action. Classic underground movement tactics.

Also, many are rich kids that Mommy & Dada insures they don't do hard time. $ always talks … I firmly believe they should be designated as domestic terrorists. But their parents probably give large sums of $ to candidates' election funds.

But who are the Marxists and how do we know?

Well generally they don't always say that they are. Until you see them at meetings, protests or riot, etc. But again, I'd believe that the FBI knows who many of them are. Many times, in conversations you may pick up on their Marxist, Socialist, etc. dogma, beliefs, etc.

However, I believe there are some in our gov't. Both elected and appointed. I won't mention any names. But some just keep getting elected.

I don't disagree, but I wonder more about socialist tendencies of officials and the role of government. I get hammered here defending the FBI, but in a country this big, there are going to be some crazies taking up a lot of resources. I suspect the FBI has a hard time tracking all the people who are secret adherents to communism, fascism, Antifa, etc. with the resources available.

FBI, but in a country this big, there are going to be some crazies taking up a lot of resources. I suspect the FBI has a hard time tracking all the people who are secret adherents to communism, fascism, Antifa, etc. with the resources available.

No doubt … but as usual nothing is 100%. Our LEOs of all types have their hands full, especially now with the massive influx of illegal aliens, criminals, etc., who cross our wide-open borders. Hopefully this woke progressive, etc., foolishness will come to an end sooner than later with new leadership. But even with that, we will never be able to deport and incarcerate maybe only 50% of them?

The Left, Libs, etc. still want to take away our 2d Amendment rights. But with all these criminals of all types from many failed or failing nations being allowed by our Gov't roaming the USA at will. Keeping our weapons for self-defense is more important than ever …

IMO, new leadership will not fix this, Legion, could make it worse by completing the divide. Real leadership, character, integrity, ability, needed. Who?

I don't think the 2nd is going to be taken from us, nor should it be. Gun crime is not caused by the Constitution, IMO. Responsible citizens do not cause gun crime either. With half a billion guns in the US,, it's too late anyway.

Most of the influx at the border does not cause more crime, IMO. My experience was they kept a low profile, did not want to rock the boat and get kicked out. NYPD has recently echoed this, so maybe some things don't change.

The big problem is that there has been such a lack of oversight down there that we have no real idea of who and how many of these people have entered. One crime is one too many, but we could say that about the Americans carrying most of the fentanyl across the border. All of this is improving finally from what I hear, but the barn door was too wide open for way too long, and for no good reason. Scary…

Who?

Indeed …

IMO Closing the border and start mass deportation would be a good start.

Winning: Hamas Holds On In Gaza

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"Winning"

Of course the other side says it was all "innocent" civilians. Since I know the other side has a history of killing civilians and hiding among the innocent, I'll go with Israel on this.

May their "virgins in paradise" be four legged swine.

Subject: Mohammad Deif, Rafa Salama, Hamas terrorist struck in Gaza – The Jerusalem Post


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If that is winning Hamas needs to look up the word in a good dictionary. Their leaders(?) think by some of the world supporting them vs Israel. And the more Palestinian non-combatants the better it is for their "victory." They really in many cases they go along with the concept if fighting the infidel and one dies, he goes to paradise, etc. As long as that mind set is dogma to some islamists, the bloodshed will continue.

They must know most of the other Arab nations have little predilection to going to war with the IDF. Has happened 4-5, etc. times before since '48. And Israel is still there. The biggest support they get is from the Persians, i.e. Iran, and they are not Arabs.

Based on the 7 Oct atrocities alone, Hamas and the other islamic terrorist in that area should expect little reconciliation from the IDF. They are holding on to the remaining hostages as a shield, to hopefully use them as bargaining chips. If any are still alive ? And some of them are Americans.

The progressive left, etc. says the Israelis are committing genocide. When in reality the Hamas leaders are pushing their own people into a mass genocide.

As long as Hamas etc. thinks they will push the Jews into the sea, they are only fooling themselves. The Jews are not going anywhere.

Hamas War Crimes on 07 Oct … Hmmm ? Who would have thought ?

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Legion: and it only took them 9 months. 🙄

A lot of useful dupes in those riots drank the koolaid.

Quietly and Deep Underground, Israelis Are Preparing for Another War

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Hamas, and other terrorists still left in Gaza. May not only have a determined IDF to fear. But there are still a lot of US hostages in terrorists' hands. A change of US leadership could change that situation.

As well as Iran will not be able to support the islamic terrorists in that area. Plus, no more $ will be given to Iran from the US. Heavy sanctions in place, more surgical strikes, etc. As it has to be obvious to the US, Israel, etc. the islamic theocracy cannot be allowed to get deployable nukes …

They don't wait long. 😉

Subject: DEVELOPING: Israel Bombards Yemen's Oil Depot in Retaliatory Strike Following Tel Aviv Suicide Drone Attack | The Gateway Pundit | by Julian Conradson


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The sooner the better the US starts making better decisions when it comes to Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. I'm not talking about boots on the ground. But large amounts of air delivered HE in the appropriate locations. Including cruise missiles, drones and aircraft strikes. Plus, no more $ or playing softball with Iran. They need to be reminded if you want to play hardball, you better wear a cup.

7 Oct cannot be forgotten.

Today Netanyahu addressed our Congress. It was an excellent speech. Better than many of our politicians. Yesterday when he arrived in the US neither The president nor the vice president(current presidential candidate), were there to greet him.

Today in Congress, the vice president of the United States and current presidential candidate for the Democratic Party as well as prominent Democrats such as Nancy Pelosi refused to show up at the meeting, protesting the way that Israel is handling the Gazza war they say. While the VP went to a rally of a predominantly black collage sorority.

Why really? Because they are afraid of alienating a group of their core voters. A group of anti semitic voters.

One of our biggest allies, and they turn their backs. The VP now says she will meet with him "in private".

They are all for supporting the Ukraine, but supporting an ally against a group of murderous religious zealots, who not only killed Israeli citizens but killed 39 US citizens! Who not only killed them, but butchered, raped, burnt, pillaged tortured and slaughtered indiscriminately! Who also hold our citizens hostage. No! They can't support the ally.

Oh and this isn't the first time that Hamas has done it.

Exerts of his speech.

Subject: WATCH: Israeli PM Netanyahu Delivers Address to U.S. Congress — Netanyahu Mocks "Gays for Gaza," Likens It to "Chickens for KFC" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft


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The Hamas supporting mob pulled down US flags and burned them. Then put up the Palestinian flag. Albeit it was not that long that the US flags were replaced by the authorized personnel. Did they then burn the Palestinian flags ?

I think they spray paint another statue again.

However, about a dozen arrests were made. But they were back on the street in short order I'd imagine.

Legion, some examples today in Washington DC

Subject: Mario Nawfal on X: "🚨🇺🇸VANDALISM AT DC'S UNION STATION MONUMENTS Reports indicate that statues and landmarks around Washington D.C.'s Union Station, including the Liberty Bell replica, have been vandalized. t.co/nI4vXPlIom / X


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Subject: Protests against Israeli leader's DC visit block off Union Station on top of slew of road closures – WTOP News


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Israel's Next War

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some examples today in Washington DC

Yes, I saw that on the news today. Shameful this couldn't be stopped …

"Yes, I saw that on the news today. Shameful this couldn't be stopped …" a peaceful protest.. no. But this was not peaceful and was very destructive and is costing we the taxpayers to clean up the damage.

Once it turned destructive and violent, it should have been stopped… but that would cost the party in power, votes. So will never happen. Their current candidate has yet to condemn it. But she was at a sorority rally yesterday. Priorities, priorities.

But this was not peaceful and was very destructive and is costing we the taxpayers to clean up the damage.

We saw similar during Summer of 2020. But in both cases, there were few real arrests. For a number of reasons. As long as you let the cat on the carpet he will continue.

Or course it is an election year …

🤔 I guess Isrealis don't count as civilians too, only palestinians.

Subject: Strike on Israeli Golan Heights kills 11 and threatens to spark a wider war. Hezbollah denies a role – ABC News


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Yes just saw that … I guess Hezbollah[and Iran] knows, especially with recent events, they don't have to worry about the US doing anything aggressive. e.g. Cruise Missiles and drones … However, I await the IDF return airstrikes, etc.

The pro-Hamas riots in the USA just emboldens Iran and its puppets. The riots and destruction continue and will as long those rioters do not face any punitive actions.

It seems like enemies are testing weaknesses again.

Do the Islamic terrorists sense a lack of support from Washington for the Israelis after Netanyahu‘s visit?

Why Israel's intelligence chiefs failed to listen to October 7 warnings – and the lessons to be learned

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WHAT WENT WRONG? THREE HYPOTHESES ON ISRAEL'S MASSIVE INTELLIGENCE FAILURE

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How did Israeli intelligence fail to stop major attack from Gaza?

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The Four paths to Israel's intelligence failure

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Subject: 'Massive tragedy': Children killed in Hezbollah rocket attack on soccer field are named | The Times of Israel


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It seems like enemies are testing weaknesses again.

It didn't take very long to see that the US leaders really didn't have the right stuff. And our enemies continue to take advantage of it !

Good articles Armand…Netanyahu played a significant role in the failure to defend Israel and owns much of the consequences. As the West Point article says, his statements showed a serious misjudgment of Hamas as a minor threat that he downplayed, and the direct phone call from the head of Egyptian intelligence at the end of September apparently meant nothing to him.

He was obviously not the only one. But his long term political survival remains in question and he also faces a corruption trial. His strength is representing Israel's opposition to Iran, but he is not the only one on this either. And what about the aftermath of all this? There is a generation coping with new pain and suffering that Hamas triggered. Neither side will soon recover. Forget a two state solution in our lifetimes..thanks Iran😵‍💫

It is Israel that needs to respond to Hezbollah, IMO. A US strike there might take out some terrorists, gaining a little against these long-time fanatics who hate us. But it also might make peace even more unlikely and recruit new fighters, IMO.

Netanyahu is guilty… he even dismissed military and intelligence warnings…. he even promoted military leave for hollyday rather than putting them on alert… in Israel (not in the world) there is talk of a betrayal by high command paid for by Iran/Russia/Syria…

Armand

It amazes me that Netanyahu seems to get a pass on this thread for negligence that has cost tens of thousands of lives and destroyed any chance for peace in the ME. Of course Hamas is the perpetrator. But from what we apparently know, Bibi's apparent lack of focus in at least raising the alert was a major failure in leadership.

I'm not worried about leadership in Isreal right now. That is for the Isrealis to handle afterward. That is their politics, not ours.

Right now the destruction and hopeful elimination of the evil of Hamas and possibly other radical jihadist Islam is the priority of not only Israel, but anyone who hates radical Islam. These groups and their beliefs are a danger to everyone.

But leadership is very much tied to everything now going on, is it not? How will the war end, realistically? What are the specific goals? Everyone wants Hamas destroyed. Can this happen, and what does situation after the war look like?

Bibi's approval rating three or four weeks ago was only 35% in Israel. The High Court just ordered a probe on the Hamas attack to proceed that has been blocked by his government, but is widely supported by the people.

This doesn't change the goal of getting rid of Hamas. But I am also interested in the rest of the story.

The Jews have always been their own worse enemy, with their political infighting.

It makes me think of the scene in "life of Brian"; "The People's Front of Judea" and "Judean People's Front". They both lose sight of the common enemy to fight amongst themselves. I think this every time I see "Jews for Palestine" in pro Hamas rallies in the US. paraphrasing Benjamin Netanyahu quote: "Jews for Gaza, is like Chickens for KFC"! 🤮

I am centered on the defeat of the radical Islam that is Hamas, as every Israeli should be as well. Forget the blame until victory is achieved. The common enemy must be destroyed. Israeli division is Hamas and radical Islams strength!

Iran supports both Hezbollah and Hamas. Both on Israel's borders. The US moslem organization C.A.R.E is now reported as being a front for Hamas. Many of the Hamas supporters here are supported by "black $" from a number of sources. But the US leadership won't go after them for fear of being labeled islamophobia, etc., etc. And there are some in Congress who are not just pro-Hamas but anti-Jews.

And we even see on the street these rioters are anti-American as well. FWIW – the US population is only about 1.4% islamic. Most of which are not terrorists. But the few bad apples make it bad for the rest as usual. As in any situation.

Again, strong, dynamic, aggressive pro-USA[not woke DEI, CRT, progressive Neo-Marxist globalists!] leadership IMO and many others would make all difference not only here but worldwide …

IDF is now firing missiles deep into Lebanon at Hezbollah positions, etc. I hope to see more of this. The Iranian supported Hezbollah killed 12 Druze children with rockets over the weekend. FWIW many fundamentalists, etc. moslems don't like the Druze. However, they are part of the Israeli population and can even serve the IDF. During the '47-'48 War some fought in units alongside of the Israeli Forces. As before, they were not treated very well by many of the local followers of islam.

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We don't really disagree here on the main priority. And I am not concerned about blame either, just finding better leadership. It is crazy there, just like here, as far as politics.

It is well known that Bibi helped get Hamas billions in cash from Qatar for years. He was buying the peace, supporting a supposedly stable government. This has never worked. Not with Reagan and Iran, Obama and Iran, Biden and Iran, Israel and Hamas. Wrong man for the job in this current crisis, IMO.

Lebanon's Strategic Role, Hezbollah's Evolution, and Iran's Regional Ambitions

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Subject: IDF conducts strike in Beirut targeting commander behind attack on children's soccer field | Fox News


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Subject: Iran says Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran


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Yep the IDF killed off two more islamic terrorists scum. Literally efficiently and effectively in the terrorists' and their supporters' front doors.

The US even hit some Iranian backed Shia militias in Iraq … link

Iran is again taking smack. Payback against the Jews, infidels, etc. And somehow Iran is blaming the US. Frakk'm the only good islamic terrorist is a dead one.

So does Iran want to try another massive missile and drone attack on Israel? Like did a few weeks back. None of their ordinance made it to a target.

Listening to a report today from a former member of the last admin. She said based on the past, if you hit Iran hard enough, they back down. At least for a while.

With these IDF bold, decisive and dynamic missions to kill more Islamic terrorists. The IDF probably has an OPLAN to cripple Iran's Nuke program, if they want to.

Israel is doing the world a favor.

I heard we are moving ships close to Lebanon

Remarkable how long these terrorists leaders live, eh? The Hebollah guy was invoked in the Beirut bombing in 1983. The talk is about martyrdom, but in reality, they organize, skim money, live the good life, and exploit the soft-willed weakness of the West to live openly while they seek out the people their own societies consider "damaged goods," and kill them as "martyrs."

I hope we see more of this. Nothing will bring terror to an end like bringing terrorists to an end.

Well as some so often say the only good islamic terrorist is a dead one.

I also found out in a news report today, what I had suspected. There are anti-gov't partisans in Iran helping the Mossad. The report also said that these Mossad agents are very good at what they do. Which most of us knew.

Heard the bomb that killed him had been planted there 2 months ago and was remotely detonated.

Heard on radio, that flights from the US to Israel.. including Israel's own airline were canceled. The guy was supposed to fly there.

Sounds ominous.

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Meanwhile, our government once again turns loose people who should probably be hooked up to a truck battery.

3 at GITMO are pled down from the death penalty and this, all on the same day.
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Another one bites the dust…

Subject: IDF: Deputy head of Islamic Jihad weapons manufacturing unit killed in Gaza airstrike | The Times of Israel


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What is happening at Gitmo with not executing these terrorists has more to do with optics than justice. And not making them martyrs for radical islam. They should never be released until they are dead …

Again the only good islamic terrorist is a dead one.

Breaking News:

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BREAKING: @Secdef Lloyd Austin yanks plea deals for 9/11 terror attack mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, 2 others
@DeptofDefense memo released tonight also relieves the official in charge of the military commissions of her oversight in the case
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Think about this a little more closely about the original plea deal.

Austin was supposedly gone when the decision was made. It was made supposedly by a lower level general! The President supposedly was not involved. Austin comes back, drops the deal and fires the lower level general.

Who is making these decisions!? Are we supposed to believe a low level general did this on his own? I CAN believe the president was not involved. But who made it? The VP? Obama? Both?

Who is in charge in this country and making the decisions?