"Hamas vs Israel... again" Topic

Subject: Hamas launches rocket barrage into Israel from Rafah, sounding alarms in Tel Aviv


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The IDF has not finished cleansing Gaza of Hamas, other terrorists and their supporters. That is the only way to stop this. It's been going on far too long. More killing is going to continue …

And still over 100 hostages are missing … IF any Hamas leader survives and goes to e.g. the ICC, Hague, etc. All those hostages living, or dead will come back to haunt this Hamas leader(s).

Frankly I think any known or possible locations of Hamas leaders they should be kill off anyway. I doubt they would be surrendering. And this Iranian terrorist attack will ensure Gaza will never be the same on many levels …

Well the Israelis did off a few more Hamas leaders after the rocket attack.

Yes, I had heard that too … IDF +2 …

Like the US and ISIS … the IDF can kill off all of the Hamas leaders as they can. They will just make more … and the IDF can kill those off too.

*Errata: Should read – And this Iranian supported terrorist attack by Hamas will ensure Gaza will never be the same on many levels …

The IDF has not finished cleansing Gaza of Hamas, other terrorists and their supporters. That is the only way to stop this. It's been going on far too long.

Yes, Israel will never win the global PR battle against haters. So just end Hamas and get on with it.

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Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "Democrat terrorists break into Brooklyn Museum in support of Hamas. t.co/poT9jwFNLn / X


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35th this bunch look kind of like dumb college kids to me. How did the poster confirm their Dem membership? I have not met a college kid registered as a Dem or a Repub in years. But why the museum? Most of these kids look clueless. There were some arrests. It's the outsiders I worry about

The NY Post referred to them as "a seething mob." No wonder we aren't sure what to think. More like they are looking for the frozen yogurt bar. But it's also good cover for a real terrorist. And again, do they have any idea about what they are protesting?

IF they broke the law, they should be punished. And not released before the ink is dry on the LEOs' reports.

And yes, like many BLM and Antifa types, etc. many are clueless here too … And many are criminals just by their actions, which are much more than "peaceful" protests …

Until these criminals are really punished, etc. … these crimes will continue.

My point with the article is: More brainwashed, indoctrinated, clueless Hamas supporting stooges. Who they vote for is not important to me, nor should it be to anyone. The fact they support a terrorists organization that is a danger to our citizens worldwide and they are in our country, potentially posing a danger to all of us, should be the concern.

Did anyone see this yesterday?

Subject: SHOCKING FOOTAGE: Man Arrested After Attempting To Ram Yeshiva Students Outside Brooklyn Yeshiva – The Yeshiva World

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Or this?

Subject: Germany knife attack: Assailant stabs well-known Islam critic in the face in 'terror' incident at anti-political Islam rally, then wounds other bystanders and a cop before being shot dead by police | Daily Mail Online

Always remember: "It's a gentle peace loving religion."

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Are we bringing the wolves into the flocks?

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Sounds like a weak Washington generated idea of peace to me, especially with these two proposing it. What does Israel get, other than hostages back (those actually alive still)? Since when has Hamas and the Palestinians ever honored any cease fire? They were under one In October when they went on a raping pillaging, murdering, torturing rampage of barbaric proportions! Seems like someone wants a ceasefire before November and does not care how they accomplish it. I cannot believe Israel would voluntarily agree to this.

Subject: Biden urges Hamas to accept Israeli plan for Gaza ceasefire: ‘Time for this war to end' | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian


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Subject: Barack Obama on X: "Today, President Biden put forward a clear, realistic and just plan to establish an immediate ceasefire and end the war in Gaza – a plan that ensures Israel's security, returns hostages taken on October 7th to their families, increases aid into Gaza and relieves the suffering of" / X


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Subject: 'Non-starter': Netanyahu says no permanent Gaza ceasefire until Hamas destroyed | The Times of Israel


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"Two of Benjamin Netanyahu's hard-Right coalition allies on Saturday night threatened to quit the government if he goes ahead with the truce deal outlined by Joe Biden.

The US president announced on Friday that Israel had offered a new roadmap towards a full ceasefire including the release of hostages held by Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.

But Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel's national security minister, said his party would "dissolve the government" if the deal went through, describing the proposal as "a victory for terrorism and a security risk to the State of Israel".

Subject: Netanyahu's coalition allies threaten to quit government if he accepts Biden's truce

"Agreeing to such a deal is not total victory – but total defeat," he said."


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Even when Hamas is mostly eliminated and the hostages released, those that are still alive, the Pro-Hamas dupes will still be around. My big upset is no one kicked the &^$%*#! out these idiots.

Heard a report today that 2 more Israeli hostages taken by Hamas were found dead in Gaza … I fear many more if not all the hostages will be found to be dead. So, this is unacceptable, by any standards. Just like 7 Oct. My concern is many of these Hamas terrorists will not be brought to any sort of justice. The IDF IMO has no choice but to continue to cleanse Hamas, the other terrorists and supporters in Gaza.

Make that 4 Legion.

I am wondering about the IDF objectives. Eliminating Hamas, what does this look like in the real world? How are the IDF measuring progress. How will they know when they are done?

I think the IDF will never know when they are done, or mostly done. Even as they keep fighting, how many are they causing to join? Hamas actively recruits soldiers from the family of every person the IDF kills.

I don't hear any more talk about Hamas leadership living wealthy lives in Qatar. What happened there?

How many hostages have been rescued by the IDF without a deal? I only know about three, I hope I am wrong. The IDF also accidently shot three as I recall. I get that this is a difficult form of combat- but how well is it working to end Hamas?

Escapee, sort of a circular argument. 😉

Don't do anything, Hamas attacks, sends suicide bombers and shoot missiles.
Declare a ceasefire, Hamas attacks, sends suicide bombers and shoot missiles.
Keep fighting, Hamas attacks, sends suicide bombers and shoot missiles.

Keep attacking and Palestinians join Hamas (they will anyway)
Stop fighting and Palestinians join Hamas (they always have)

I argue that Hamas and the majority of Palestinians, want Israel destroyed and all the Jews dead or gone. That is what "From the river to the sea" means. FYI they don't like us either. I saw the celebrations on 9/11.

I'm not sure what a peace looks like to Israel, but I'll leave that to them. fundamentalist Islam and Islamic terrorism is a danger to Israel and a danger to rest of the world.

9/11 and 10/7 were the final straw for me. It is very hard for me to feel much pity any longer.

I believe this is all an ongoing war that started in the 600's and has continued off and on every since.

So there is no way to win for either side….I'm not thinking about pity, although we know innocent lives have been lost, like every modern war at least. I would painfully accept that in the goal of reaching the objective for the greater good. In a region that has been fighting itself and outsiders forever, some peace would be welcome. Looking at the factions of the region, peace is more like a temporary ceasefire at best. The whole place is one long conflict.

If both sides just want the other dead and gone, it will not get resolved. So go for the deal? Maybe…since the current campaign looks like a waste to me. But I don't know what I don't know about the whole thing. Not enough intel..

I really wondered if anyone thought the IDF was winning and what that looked like.

One thing to remember, Hamas launched 10/7 during an existing ceasefire.
Cease fires have never stopped anything over there, it just allows for re-supply, regrouping, recruitment and training for the next round.

Make that 4 Legion.

Seems the count increases almost daily.

I am wondering about the IDF objectives. Eliminating Hamas, what does this look like in the real world? How are the IDF measuring progress. How will they know when they are done?

The US and our allies effectively defeated ISIS. Albeit the US has assets in Syria and Iraq. To keep killing off any ISIS in the area. New members or those that have been operating but have not been killed yet.

I see a similar thing will have to go on with Hamas in Gaza. I see no possible Palestinian gov't that could be in charge of the Strip. At least anytime soon. Does the IDF think they can just leave, and Hamas won't rise up again ? They know better.

The IDF may have to have some occupation of the Gaza Strip. The area will never be the same as it was before 7 Oct. The ruins of infrastructure, etc., in Gaza are massive. The results of fighting MOUT with radical insurgents.

E.g. In the ROK, the DMZ has been there since '53. The ROKs and the US have troops guarding that border. Locked and loaded to kill. And defend again the North's aggression. The US will not be leaving the ROK anytime soon. I see the same thing will have to happen in the Gaza Strip.

As far as the Hamas leaders in Qatar … they must know they are living on borrowed time. Retribution may not come tomorrow, next week, next month, etc. But it will come … sooner or later. The IDF/Mossad/Shin Bet, etc. are good at killing off islamic terrorists' leaders, etc.

Until some sort of effective peace comes to Gaza, etc. The bodies will the floor. Again, again, again … repeat …

I agree that a cease fire is not a peace settlement. The IDF will become the peace-keeping force? These people really hate each other, but that may be what a win looks like. And a massive ongoing security job for the IDF, as in Korea.

Many are pushing the Israelis to commit to a ceasefire. Using the remaining hostages a reason. Plus, the loss of many Palestinian non-combatants as another.

I'm have a tendency to think the IDF will end up occupying the Gaza Strip again. If left on their own the denizens of the Gaza Strip will again sooner or later start attacking Israelis.

Would it be a good idea to have UN forces do peacekeeping Gaza ? With limited IDF presence ? I think we know that is not a good answer. Again, as the US has been in the ROK from 1953 on, with the war not being over but only a truce. The IDF may have to do similar in Gaza.

It is not just Gaza as we have seen. There is no peace with radical Islam.

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There is no peace with radical Islam.

Yes, you can't talk to them or reason with them. They are blinded by the past and wedded to their religious beliefs. Which in many cases are not in step with the 21st century.

In the Gaza Strip, like the IJFs in the PTO early in WWII. Their belief in their Emperor was final. They wouldn't give much ground, willing to take huge losses, or even use tactics like the Banzi charge, etc.

Again, i those earlier battles in the PTO. The IJFs did not surrender, and few became POWs as it was dishonorable, etc. I think Hamas is somewhat similar, and as we see most are willing to die for their fundamentalist's beliefs. And of course, their extreme hatred for the Jewish people of Israel.

The IDF has to do all they can to kill off as many Hamas and other islamic terrorists operate in that area. Like the US and our allies did with ISIS. As I said, we still have troops in Syria and Iraq to keep a lid on them. The IDF may have to do the same …

Subject: Israeli troops uncover Hamas tunnel entrance inside child's room in Rafah


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I think Hamas is somewhat similar, and as we see most are willing to die for their fundamentalist's beliefs. And of course, their extreme hatred for the Jewish people of Israel.

And this hatred has been very carefully taught to them from the earliest age.

Yes, very much so … the education of fanatics starts at an early ago. The know nothing else … but hatred …

BTW – on 07 Oct. 2023, about 44 Americans[with dual citizenship] were butchered by Hamas and other islamic terrorists. Plus about 30(?) Americans are still hostages. Hopefully they are still alive(?).

When I hear those "useful dupes" in the USA supporting/protesting/rioting Palestine/Hamas, etc. only shows how well they have been indoctrinated by the far Left, etc. Classic Marxist/Communist methods at work.

I'm even more "distressed/upset/angry, etc. when I hear some of our elected and appointed officials in our Gov't. supporting these islamic terrorists. In some cases, it appears the real reason for this is to garner votes. From a very small members of the US population.

Maybe it's just me … but I don't think so … IMO this is despicable, outrageous, unconscionable, etc., etc. But in the USA, e.g. even Nazis, KKK, etc. have the right of free speech and assembly. No matter how ugly, horrid, etc. it is.

Report today said, IDF raided a refugee camp in Northern Gaza. Freeing 4 hostages. The Israelis only lost one according to the reports. One too many IMO but this op had to be done obviously …

Report says the Al Axsa Martyrs Bde were one of the terrorists' groups allied with Hamas. Were operating in this area.

Numbers of Palestinian dead reported by Hamas(?) is at 107. Of course, any figures from them are notoriously inaccurate. And in many cases are much higher than actually have occurred.

The hostages being held in a refugee camp by Al Axsa, almost made it a certainty that there would be non-combatant losses. But that just plays into the terrorists' agenda and narrative. As always with these islamic terrorists.

A hostage rescue mission is always a very high-risk operation, as we know. The rescue team has to get in and get out very quickly obviously. Egress may be harder than ingress. The IDF troops are some of the best troops in the world who are trained for this mission.

Going in because of surprise is to your advantage. But with once the hostages are rescued there may be fight getting back out. So, fire support is generally required[and welcomed] to provide the insertion team and the hostages in this case, with covering fires. To support their escape.

Supporting fires based on the situation & terrain, etc. will generally be FA or CAS or both. That may have contributed to the bulk of non-combatant casualties. Of course, when a firefight ensues either going in or out could also cause non-combatant losses.

I'd think the IDF troops still remembering 7 Oct. and may show little quarter. As well as shoot fire in many cases.

I await more intel on this raid …

Just heard a report, confirmed 1 IDF KIA. The raid was done in broad daylight. These ops are generally done during darkness as we know.

AH-64s of the IDF supported the attack, i.e. a form of CAS.

Hamas is saying 210 dead and over 400 wounded. Seems pretty high IMO. But again, Hamas's numbers are always greatly exaggerated. Realizing, the raid to save the hostages took place in a crowded refugee camp AFAIK. So that may explain the high losses. However, those numbers still sound very high … Was the IDF firing quantum missiles ?

One protestor in front of the WH, where Anti-Israel demonstrations are going on. Upset about the raid killing of so many Palestinians. She said the US had troops on the ground? Sounds more like "useful dupes" repeating propaganda. I highly doubt there were US troops on the raid.

There may be some US advisors, etc. working with the IDF. But I doubt they were on the raid. But by spreading this propaganda plays into the Hamas narrative and agenda.

Again I await more intel …

Congratulations to the IDF and the 4 rescued hostages

Rochambeau Statue defaced by pro Hamas "protesters"

Subject: X: "Rochambeau Statue in Lafayette Park near the White House. This is the modern Democrat Party where terrorists are welcome. See you in November, fools. t.co/h7uQblF5a3 / X


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Most of those useful dupes don't even know who Rochambeau was …

We'll Surprise! surprise! Surprise!

"According to a report by Israel Hayom, Al-Jazeera denied any connection to Aljamal, adding: "This man is not from Al-Jazeera, nor did he work for Al-Jazeera at all, nor is he listed as working for Al-Jazeera either now or in the past, and we do not know him, and all the rumors spread are empty of content and not true at all."

However, he is listed on Al Jazeera's website as "a Gaza-based reporter and photojournalist" who "often reports from the ongoing ‘March of Return' protests at the fence separating besieged Gaza from Israel.""

Subject: IDF CONFIRMS: All 3 Rescued Male Israeli Hostages Held by Gaza 'Journalist'


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Hmmmm ? I have a tendency to not believe much of what Al Jazeera reports. Of course, that pretty much goes for most news agencies …

In this case a Al Jazeera reporter was holding Israeli hostages. How can you believe anything they report? It's Obvious whose side they are on.

Yes, I heard a report today that the one female hostage was used as a servant in a well to do Palestinian home.

The other report I heard is the IDF units involved were the Israeli National Police HRT & Shin Bet Spec Ops unit. They are used to operating in that area. Can speak Arabic without an accent, many are darker skinned and look more like the "locals". They went in dressed like locals, concealing their weapons. As the hostages were held in a refugee camp.

AH-64s were used to cover their withdrawal. As they were taking heavy fire from "refugees"/Hamas. BTW, what are "refugees" doing with weapons ? As I have said,
this is an insurgency. The bad guys don't wear uniforms. Which only makes CD that much more likely.

CD did occur probably mostly from the AH-64s cover the commandos' withdrawal. As the hostages being held in a refugee(?) camp. Hamas was using the non-combatants as cover. They held the hostages in this camp as they thought the IDF wouldn't notice. Or if they did the numbers of non-combatant losses[including the hostages] would be high if the IDF tries to a rescue op. Which again plays into Hamas's agenda. That is their SOP.

So, I'm sure without being able to tell non-combatant from insurgent in the hot withdrawal. The AH-64s weapons did their job, plus very well it appears, to getting the commandos and hostages out. And to do that it required suppressive fires to cover that withdrawal. At that point getting friendlies out was the #1 priority.

Who is to blame for the high civilian losses ? Easy answer, Hamas and their Iranian supporters. Hamas cares little for their own people. And Iran cares little about their Hamas puppets.

The IDF clearly understood their mission – save the hostages. And once shooting started nothing was going to stop them. And I'm sure the IDF remembered 7 Oct. Hamas and their supporters had to "reap the whirlwind. One IDF Nation Police Officer was killed. The Hamas and the Palestinians they used for cover was very, very high. Even taking into consideration the figures from Hamas is probably much lower than they are reporting. Again … it's their SOP.

The commandos and the Israeli hostages were evac'd by which appeared to be French made Puma Med. Helicopters. Crew – 3, Cargo – 16 troops …

Reports are the USA assisted/provided intel in support of this operation. Afterall … Americans were killed on 7 Oct. and some are still hostages[hopefully still alive ?] of Hamas and their Palestinian supporters …

As I have said before. The GWoT continues vs. islamists terrorists. Intel reports are the Houthis may give weapons to Al-Sabab in Somali. Even though A-S are radical fundamentalists who see the Shia as infidels. But seems the Houthis being Shia. Both may overlook that to continue with their jihad.

Iran also is rethinking the Houthis shooting at ships in the region. Seems the Iranian supplied missiles that they gave to the Houthis are not hitting enough targets. Hmmm ?

Subject: Richard Hanania on X: "New poll shows 57% of Gaza and 73% of the West Bank support October 7. This is while 55% of Gazans don't have sufficient food for a day or two, and 61% say they're lost a family member. Palestinians are a death cult. At some point you can't deny them what they're begging for. t.co/7waJnh5mPe / X


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The IDF must continue purging Hamas and its supporters. Or events of 7 Oct will come again. Sooner than later …

35th…no source for these figures? I always wonder how safe people there feel about crossing Hamas in answering a poll question. Or whether Hamas controls the numbers. Not to be trusted…

Nothing but his post. I don't have Facebook.

I don't know how they do these Gaza polls at this point, but it does not change my opinion of Hamas and how they rule and fight. They are the ones getting their own people killed with their barbaric tactics and refusal to quit.

The IDF has to finish it. 7 Oct should never happen again. But we know to do it many Hamas and their supporters plus non-combatants will have to die. Their barbarism can't be forgot or excused. Regardless, what the US college students, outsiders and professional Marxist-Islamicists say. And like in 2020, very few will be punished …

It appears if reports are correct Hezbollah may be ramping up their attacks on Northern Israel. They know they must stay on the defensive and let the IDF come to them. Like happened before. They can't stand up to the IDF in an offensive. They will dig in deep and try to get the IDF to attack. Like Hamas did, with large losses mostly to Hamas and the Palestinians.

However, the IDF is being proactive … recently killing a Hezbollah top leader. Hopefully this will continue.

So, the blood shed will go on it seems … with most of it being moslem bodies stacking up. A bitter reality …

1000s of Iran backed jihadis offer to join Hezbollah to fight Israel.

Seems to me Iran is the problem with Hamas and other islamic terrorist groups in Israel plus Hezbollah, etc. Who gave millions of $ to Iran ? Oh … wait … never mind …

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Hamas's Ruthless Long-Term Strategy of Necessary Sacrifice

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Well with that strategy(?) they are killing more of their own than anyone else. But I guess the scum at the top plan on being the last standing. Gaza is in ruins, losses of Gazans are huge; both terrorists and non-combatants. I don't think get it … they brought all of this upon themselves.

Regardless, of the support from the useful dupes in US schools, on the streets, etc. … In fact, IMO this whole corrupted paradigm is Neo-Marxism. With the white oppressors vs. everybody else who are oppressed. Marxists, progressives, socialists, woke, DEI, CRT, etc. rubes. Don't care what "vehicle" they use to destroy Capitalism and the West. They have been trying for years. And it seems they may be getting closer to this Marxist paradise or IMO nightmare.

IDF and Hamas continue fighting in Soutern Gaza …

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Legion, I have to say that while the useful dupes exist and get a lot of press, I just don't see a lot of everyday Marxists where I live, and there are some liberal people here in much despised MA (where the Revolution began…just sayin'..)

According to Wikipedia the Communist Party of America has only 20,000 members and does not participate in elections. Of course there could be many others not formally affiliated. Antifa is said to have no formal public structure. But who are the Marxists and how do we know?