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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2023 10:54 a.m. PST

Legion, only 1 person arrested so far. 6 officers injured and 1 person arrested?🤔 seems to be handled differently than some other incidents with capital police.

Subject: Yashar Ali 🐘 on X: "BREAKING Absolute mayhem outside the Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington DC. Ceasefire advocates who were protesting and blocking the doors of the DNC building are being pulled off, thrown down, and arrested by law enforcement. t.co/uCEsYGQt8L / X


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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2023 2:35 p.m. PST

Subject: Turkey's Erdogan labels Israel a 'terror state', slams its backers in West.


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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2023 3:06 p.m. PST

Aren't these people protesting Biden's position supporting Israel?

How many assault and battery criminal acts? Threats on lives of elected officials? Property damage? Government proceedings halted?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2023 3:55 p.m. PST

"USCP confirmed on X that six officers were injured during the clash on Wednesday evening. 
Authorities said that the officers suffered injuries ranging from minor cuts, pepper spray burns or being punched by protesters who turned violent alongside peaceful protesters."

"Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., told The Associated Press that initially about 100 people — House leaders, lawmakers and Democratic candidates running for the House — were at a reception at party headquarters, and speeches were interrupted by the chants outside.
About seven lawmakers were huddled in the basement and evacuated into police SUVs"

congressman Brad Sherman

"Was just evacuated from the #DNC after pro-terrorist, anti-#Israel protestors grew violent, pepper spraying police officers and attempting to break into the building.

Thankful to the police officers who stopped them and for helping me and my colleagues get out safely. (1/2)"

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2023 5:46 p.m. PST

Subject: TikTok shredded as Osama bin Laden's 'Letter to America' gets viral praise: 'Terrorist propaganda'


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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2023 8:06 p.m. PST

"The group, Within Our Lifetime, posted the map which was later deleted, with a headline of "From Palestine to NYC. Globalize the Intifada," according to the New York Post. The map stated that the locations were considered zones "of direct action."

"Each of the sites on this map is tied to the ongoing genocide in Gaza and the settler-colonization of Palestine. They reflect a network of dispossession, policing, prisons, surveillance, counterinsurgency, war, destruction, imperialism and militarization across the globe, with the mass media complex which manufactures consent for genocide acting as tools of the oppressor. These sites are also multi-purpose assets for some of the system's most powerful perpetrators of violence. May this map serve as a call for every struggle to act in their own interest. As we do so, we uplift one another's struggles and free Palestine from the river to the sea," the map reads."


Subject: Pro-Palestinian group posts NYC map of locations ‘tied' to ‘Genocide' in Gaza: ‘Globalize the Intifada' | Fox News


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dapeters17 Nov 2023 9:47 a.m. PST

I can see that the perception management organizations have been doing an excellent job.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2023 10:06 a.m. PST

Legion, only 1 person arrested so far. 6 officers injured and 1 person arrested?🤔 seems to be handled differently than some other incidents with capital police.

Yes, I saw that … But since they were protesting against Israelis for Palestinian "genocide". The LEOs can't be too "mean" to them as they don't want to be called racist and islamophobic, etc.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2023 7:43 p.m. PST

Subject: BreakThrough News on X: ""Shut It Down for Palestine" brings 8th Ave to a halt in front of Penn Station, NYC. Appropriate colors for the Empire State Building tonight t.co/BIthCliu98 / X


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SBminisguy20 Nov 2023 6:53 p.m. PST

The Houthi proxy puppets for Iran just pirated a cargo ship in international waters, and released their glorious capture of an empty car carrier and unarmed crew.

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2023 10:35 p.m. PST

The Hamas-Russia connection


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SBminisguy26 Nov 2023 12:58 p.m. PST

First handful of hostages exchanged for Hamas terrorists and POWs during a "ceasefire" violated within 15min.

The US DOES NOT negotiate with terrorists! We just accept their first offer…

Ned Ludd26 Nov 2023 1:14 p.m. PST

Here is a similar article

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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2023 2:43 p.m. PST

Get as many of those people home as possible as quickly as we can right now. We can discuss the insanity of inviting the Taliban to Camp David, or signing a deal with them, later. If you are talking about Biden and third party go-betweens, we can throw that in too.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2023 7:40 p.m. PST

We can discuss the insanity of inviting the Taliban to Camp David,
Currently that means 0 and in reality it didn't happen.

or signing a deal with them, later.
Didn't Biden and his admin make a deal with the Taliban to use the airport in Kabul. Don't get me started on that Cluster Bleeped text


Get as many of those people home as possible as quickly as we can right now
Hamas is buying time and pushing for more "pauses" … The IDF knows they can't keep playing along with Hamas islamic terrorists. They need to finish this 4 day pause. Then continue to hunt for the hostages and terminate Hamas and any other islamic terrorists there with "extreme prejudice" …

Plus the USA needs to start taking out military and oil site targets in Iran. The current US leadership is afraid that attack Iran proper as it will start a war. Iran knows it can go toe-to-toe with the US Military.

Many of the other Arab nation don't support Iran. You want to stop Hamas and other islamic terrorists … hit targets in Iran. Attriting their military and oil producing capabilities. And even their nuke sites. But for some reason the current Admin thinks they can make a deal with the #1 supporter of islamic terrorism. They need to read history and understand who they are dealing with.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2023 7:40 a.m. PST

I don't feel like the Kabul airport deal compares. The ship was already going down.

The US signed a formal agreement with the Taliban which effectively tied our hands and resulted in a massive increase in Taliban attacks on the Afghan government forces which all but destroyed them and gave the Taliban victory. It was a bloody mess with some of the worst casualties of the war for the unsupported Afghan troops.

Floating the idea of an invitation, around 9/11, to visit Camp David was an indication of the lack of historic perspective and understanding of US principles and foreign policy.
It was a mistake to honor any part of the formal agreement after the Afghan government troops were undermined so effectively. The timeline had been made meaningless and the precedent had been set for dealing with the Taliban anyway, the airport was a minor arrangement by comparison.

The evac was a terrible shambles. But the worst damage was done before by negotiating a formal long term agreement with the Taliban that handed the Afghan army and government to them on a platter.

I don't think that Iran can go toe to toe with the US military. Not their navy certainly. I don't think ground troops would be involved and I would expect us to encounter missile defenses, but not to the point where air strikes were suppressed.

I agree that the time is fast approaching when we give Iran an ultimatum to free all hostages or we take the initiative and launch targeted air strikes against their infrastructure. They are behind all of this, always have been. Who could argue that it is not justified? They are giving us the final provocation to pay them back for all the misery they have caused and stop it from happening again.

They are stretching this out to help Hamas survive. We might be rolling the dice with the hostages… they might let them go once they are targets themselves. Or they might kill them and blame us. The casualties are already horrendous. The longer this goes on, the worse the end result will be for loss of life. I would argue that destroying oil refineries is more humane that razing a city.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2023 9:16 a.m. PST

I don't feel like the Kabul airport deal compares. The ship was already going down.
Regardless … the withdrawal was a total mess. The military does not run ops like that. Even Dunkirk was a much better planned & executed. The current leadership ignored the US Military's guidance & sound plan. 'nuff said …

The timeline had been made meaningless and the precedent had been set for dealing with the Taliban anyway, the airport was a minor arrangement by comparison.
Read what I posted above. And Deleted by Moderator

I don't think that Iran can go toe to toe with the US military. Not their navy certainly. I don't think ground troops would be involved and I would expect us to encounter missile defenses, but not to the point where air strikes were suppressed.
Yes Iran knows it cannot go one-on-one with the US firepower. There would be no reason to land ground troops. Nothing there to take & hold.

Note: SEADS would occur on Iranian ADA and Anti-Ship missile sites plus radars. Before any major air assets would attack any other Iranian targets. These ADA/A-Ship locations would have to be take out.

Iran has so many military and oil infrastructure in their nation. Plus nuke producing sites. They must know they will have much more than just their "wings clipped".

I would argue that destroying oil refineries is more humane that razing a city.
There is no reason at all to attack non-military/oils targets in Iran. Unlike Hamas and Russia, we don't target civilians on purpose.

And who will come to Iran's defense ? If the USA takes out many of their military, etc. targets. I'm thinking 0 …

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2023 12:31 p.m. PST

I was really responding to SB's remark about not negotiating with terrorists. We crossed that bridge a while ago was my point, and the Afghans we had supported got the shaft.

"Iran knows it can go toe-to-to with the US military" was your quote, but thinking about it it was surely a typo! I think we theoretically could encounter air defense. Not sure we can locate every target.

Not referring to us on civilian targets. It's Israel who has blurred that line in recent years. As a practical mater, Hamas brings this on its own people by using human shields. But the scale of the IDF response is being criticized. We would avoid that, that was my point.

Agreed! Nobody will defend Iran. We need to get this done and crossed off the to do list. Israel will be fine down the road if we do. But losing Ukraine to Putin would be a great lose for all. We need to get back to helping them ASAP.

BenFromBrooklyn28 Nov 2023 8:32 a.m. PST

The scale of the IDF response is necessary.
The problem is not the limited number of Hamas terrorists that attacked them- no more than the US had a problem with a limited number of Japanese pilots after Dec 7 1941. If it was 3 or 10 or 20 men sure, they could track them down and kill them. But these operations take time and intel – tracking down 2000 and picking them off with special ops would take many years.
And even then, civilians would die. At least 2 died when we got Bin Laden, we can hardly expect Israel to do better, and that was an operation years in the making.

Israel opposes an army, and that army deliberately embeds itself in a civilian population that is at least partly willing.

So the blurring is all on Hamas- and the Palestinians. The Law of War applies even to civilians who "spontaneously" act. If a Palestinian is willingly working to provide cover and concealment to military forces, that civilian status is over. That's a combatant.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2023 11:34 a.m. PST

I was onlu commenting on reactions to the scale of the IDF response. Something the US should want to avoid. Massive piles of residential rubble in Gaza is not a great look.

I am not sure I see another way either. But I would be looking for one. We have no way of knowing how many civilian casualties there are in Gaza. They will be finding bodies in the rubble for months. I am not defending Hamas using civilians for cover and I know that civilians and Hamas soldiers blend together to some significant if unknow extent. And Hamas itself deserves no sympathy from anyone for what they did.

Given the reputation of Mossad and the apparent ability of both sides to infiltrate, I expected more finesse from the IDF. How about Hamas leaders hanging out in Qatar? Or the real villains, the elites in Iran? Its not like Israel started intelligence ops after October 7. They have been tracking these guys for years. And they have held thousands of prisoners. Cut the head off the Hamas army.

But I have nothing more than my opinion to go on and I do not insist on anythig.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2023 12:53 p.m. PST

Ben +1

I have heard as many as 75% of Palestinians support Hamas. As we know in Guerilla Warfare the has to be at least tacit support for the insurgent. For them to be even somewhat successful.

FWIW – I do remember footage of Palestinians cheering, dancing in the street, etc. when 9/11 occurred.

Given the reputation of Mossad and the apparent ability of both sides to infiltrate, I expected more finesse from the IDF.
As far as we know they are using more "finesse" … Things may be much bloodier otherwise for the IDF and hostages.

How about Hamas leaders hanging out in Qatar?
I'm pretty sure the Mossad/Shin Bet has plans to take out those Hamas leaders in Qatar. But all the hostages have to be found before that happens. I'd think …

the real villains, the elites in Iran?
The Mossad has been doing a lot of damage to Iran's hope for nuclear weapons AFAIK.

As I have said before, Iran's military, oil facilities, nuke producing sties, etc. should be taken out. By the USA with maybe a little assistance from the Israeli AF. Very much avoiding CD. We really can't kill Iran's leadership. That is not acceptable by international norms, etc.

However, with their military attrited maybe their population could rise up and take of their leadership. It has happened before with the ouster of the Shah, etc.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2023 2:20 p.m. PST

+1 Legion.

My only thought would be that nobody knows if most of the Palestinians support Hamas. Most civilians are likely coerced by them in many ways. Why would we trust their election figures and then claim their casualty figures are exagerrated? I imagine you would think twice before voting against Hamas if you lived there. Or not vote at all.

Inch High Guy28 Nov 2023 2:58 p.m. PST

Something to think about, 11% of German citizens were members of the National Socialist Party in 1939. It doesn't take a lot of true believers to steer a country down a dark path if the majority is willing to go along with it.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2023 3:44 p.m. PST

Sometimes, there are no good choices. If you fear for your own personal safety by expression a different opinion, for example. I am sure many Germans learned how to stay out of trouble. This did not make them true believers.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2023 3:47 p.m. PST

It looks like at least some Palestinians support Hamas.

Subject: Israeli hostage briefly escaped Hamas before locals handed him to terrorists


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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian28 Nov 2023 4:25 p.m. PST

But reportedly some Palestinians are giving intel to the Israelis about Hamas tunnels and bases.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2023 7:27 p.m. PST

Yes, it's a big city. They can't all be Hamas. We just don't know.

SBminisguy30 Nov 2023 9:18 a.m. PST

This war has flushed the antisemites, West-haters and fascists out of the woodwork. There are a LOT of them in our government, in our education system, and in our media.

This one happens to be the *leading CIA Advisor* on the Middle East! Two weeks after the full extent of the Hamas murder spree became known, she changed her social media profile to be Pro-Hamas!!

EXCLUSIVE: Meet The Senior CIA Official Caught Posting Pro-Palestinian Content On Social Media

The top CIA official who changed her social media cover photo to a pro-Palestinian image two weeks after the Hamas terrorist organization carried out attacks on Israel is Associate Deputy Director for Analysis Amy McFadden, the Daily Caller News Foundation has learned.

The original Oct. 21 photo of a man waving a Palestinian flag — often used in articles critical of Israel — is no longer publicly visible on the official's social media, as the official, the associate deputy director for analysis at the CIA, changed the image after the Financial Times reached out Monday, the outlet reported. The DCNF identified the official as Amy McFadden, who has served in the CIA Directorate of Analysis front office since 2020, according to her LinkedIn profile.

McFadden worked in the CIA's Counterterrorism center, was deputy in the Office of North African, Arabian Peninsula, and Regional Analysis and later was director of the President's Daily Brief, according to her biography.


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SBminisguy30 Nov 2023 9:26 a.m. PST

This shouldn't be a hard moral choice to make. Yes, you can feel sympathy for the Palestinian people (to whatever extent you feel that) AND condemn Hamas AND call for the removal of Hamas.

Maybe if you want Hamas removed, though you run into some inconvenient truths?

1. According to (no doubt flawed) polls and street interviews some 75-80% of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank (supposedly more peaceful and civilized) support and approve of Hamas' murder spree and support Hamas in general.

2. Some 75% support the extermination of Israel and a mass exodus or genocide of Jews.

3. 98% see America as an enabler of Israel and an enemy of the Palestinians.

So what can you do with this messy situation, realistically? Giving the Palestinians a State in Gaza didn't work or temper their hatred. Giving them their own State-like territories in the West Bank didn't work and hasn't tempered their hatreds. ZERO Arab states care or are interested in helping the Palestinians -- they use the Palestinians as foils for domestic ire against their own oppressive rule, but they also know that the Palestinians have supported the overthrow or tried to overthrow of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Egypt and Kuwait. That's why there are ZERO Palestinians living in those countries, they've all be ejected.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP02 Dec 2023 12:00 p.m. PST

But reportedly some Palestinians are giving intel to the Israelis about Hamas tunnels and bases.
That happens in any insurgency, etc. In this case, how many Palestinians supply the IDF with intel ? Verses how many supports Hamas, even if that support is just tacit.

Yes, it's a big city. They can't all be Hamas. We just don't know.
It is not only a big city but a fairly large area i.e. the Gaza strip. To be hunting down Hamas, etc. So yes, we don't know. But again, if the intel is correct … about 75% of Palestinians support Hamas. Would it be any different if it was 50% ? 30%, etc. ? An insurgency must have support from some locals … even if just tacit in some cases.

Hamas gets if members from Palestinians. Albeit there may a few other jihadis from other countries there. Regardless, where they come from unless they can outrun, 5.56, 7.62 etc. they all are just targets to be serviced. Repeat …

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP02 Dec 2023 1:16 p.m. PST

Yes, I think it might be different. We accept the support figures but not the Palestinian casualty figures? I think none of them are trust worthy. We can't have it both ways.

I think at least some of the Palestinian civilians might be terrified to cross their radical leaders. It's as good a guess as anyone else's. How many tacitly support Israel? They must envy the life of freedom and comparative luxury from their open air prison. The US news coverage is especially abysmal on this, self-righteous and determined to "get the left"here in an election year. Ridiculous…IMO.

I am not saying you are right or wrong about who is who Legion. I would hate to be serving there. No choice but to pull the trigger, get this over with. Too many fanatics running around. Hamas is a brutal, suicidal enemy. Take no chances. It's a terrible thing, but Iran keeps bringing this on. They must be dealt with.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP02 Dec 2023 7:24 p.m. PST

I'm not saying targeting civilians like islamic terrorists and Russia does. The IDF is rubbling much of Gaza City. But they are only targeting known and likely enemy locations, etc. Yes, in MOUT there will be CD. Especially when Hamas is using humans to hide behind. But Hamas has to be wiped from the face of the earth… period.

Bottom line the IDF has to cleanse Hamas, etc. from the Gaza Strip. So, no more 07 Oct happens again. Just like the USA and our allies had to in A'stan with AQ, etc. No matter how one looks at it. We have not had another 9/11. And won't, AQ and the Taliban are busy fighting ISIS-K. But we still have to keep an eye on them. It's hard for jihadis to break old habits.

We did the same with ISIS. And we still have troops hunting down their leftovers in Iraq and Syria. As Iraq can't do it …

The GWoT on terrorism continues … it was really never over.

Let the IDF do their job … this Hamas terrorism has to end. As we know in an insurgency, they don't wear uniforms. You may not know who the enemy is at times. There will be CD.

And Iran is a problem that is not being addressed effectively. That will go a long way to getting the GWoT under control. And to do that it means some will have to die …

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2023 8:05 a.m. PST

Yes, unavoidable. There is no clean way to get Hamas.Attacking Irans infrastructure is not necessarily the same as turning Gaza into rubble, but there will be casualties.

Better now than letting Iran proxies continue to terrorize and kill innocent people indefinitely.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2023 10:05 a.m. PST

Both Iran and their proxies have to be handled properly … period … And not be afraid to be called racist, xenophobic, etc. As they Iran and their proxies feel that way about us …

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2023 1:39 p.m. PST

Surprised about Soros?

Subject: Israel's UN ambassador slams Soros for donations to pro-Hamas groups seeking destruction of Jewish state


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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2023 3:26 p.m. PST

Fox and the Murdochs having Musk go after Soros is a way to help Musk defend his own statements as X advertising collapses. Not defending Soros or what he did here, but look how many years this reporter went back to find ways to play gotcha. I don't trust any of these guys, especially Soros and Musk. But getting this story from Fox requires more than a grain of salt.

And the Great March of Return was not exactly a "precursor" of Oct 7 five years later. It was not much of an invasion, more of a protest, with a couple hundred of Palestinians killed, many more wounded, and I believe the IDF was censured by the UN.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2023 6:00 p.m. PST

35th OVI +1

The IDF will expand its ops into the Southern Gaza, while continuing to cleanse Hamas on the Northern Front. The IDF will avenge 07 Oct. the only way it can be done. And yes, more will die. Hamas like ISIS will continue to be hunted down. IMO neither deserve any quarter. For the medieval horrific crimes against humanity, they both committed.

SBminisguy03 Dec 2023 8:14 p.m. PST

X/Twitter is no longer heavily curated by the Federal Government, so they want it to collapse. Anybody with half a brain can tell Musk isn't antisemitic, but he has decided not to play their game anymore, so they want to tear him down. His treatment, multiple harassment investigations of Musk and his companies, is quite in contrast to companies like Walmart and Apple who use and abuse Slave Labor in China to make cheap products, and which avoid Federal scrutiny by toeing the line -- and engaging in this kind of enforcement action against more independent companies.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 7:04 a.m. PST

Subject: Horrific new stories of Hamas attacks in Israel surface, including rape of woman who screamed to be killed


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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 7:56 a.m. PST

Now Musk is a victim? And I never said he was anti- Semitic. I said Fox helps defend him.

Legion +1. Please don't misread where I am coming from. I want Iran dealt with, and by that I mean ending their terror threat capacity as much as possible by military means. I hate the civilian casualties, but I have repeatedly said there is no other way. I have seen innocent people get hurt in real life. Nothing worse than being the one to tell the mothers. Neutralize the bad guys and save far more lives in the future..

What I dislike is self-righteous media outlets using the war to attack US leaders in order to influence upcoming election outcomes.There has been some good reporting, but the bias is too obvious.

SBminisguy04 Dec 2023 8:30 a.m. PST

Now Musk is a victim? And I never said he was anti- Semitic. I said Fox helps defend him.

Fox does, for now. But they also end up toeing the line at some point, like when Tucker Carlson levied some effective charges at BigPharma. BOOM, see ya Tucker! Good for all of us now that he's unbound and has X as a platform. Same with Project Veritas, when a hidden camera "sting" exposed how Pfizer manipulated test data on their Covid vaccine, and were working with the Feds to ensure yearly mandatory jabs. BOOM, see ya James O'Keefe, an internal coup ousted him from the organization he founded. Kinda amazing timing, yes? At the core of this is the Fed controls access to capital via the way it prints and gives money to a handful of select Big Banks and Wall St firms, who then enforce compliance with government goals via ESG scores and DEI policy compliance. So Big Corps get leaned on to attack critics of the system, they just follow along and now all of a sudden a platform critical of the system is "spontaneously" being boycotted by advertisers, in abeyance of all the standard "rules" of marketing and advertising.

Not defending Soros or what he did here, but look how many years this reporter went back to find ways to play gotcha.

You don't have to rely on a possible "gotcha" from a reporter on Soros. All you have to do is read his books and watch his past interviews.

I read Soros' "Open Society" book – it boils down to a simplistic utopian vision: his great lesson from WW2 is that nationalism and differences between nations causes conflict. No more nations or nationalism, no more conflict -- oh, and that society needs to be managed by smart people like him for the benefit of all.

So his solution is to break the nation-state down by various means (Cloward-Piven, radical DAs that destroy faith in the system and create crime and chaos, etc), attack the foundations of nationalism (pride and love of nation) via deconstructionist "education" that erodes the sense of citizenship, and indoctrinates youngsters into the new order.

In short -- crash the system like he did to earn his billions crashing currencies and economies. Find weaknesses and leverage points, exploit these weaknesses and pressure the system from multiple angles to create fear and doubt by the target, and bring it down. That's what he did to crash the Thai and Malaysian economies and spark the Asian Financial Crisis, how he crashed the British Pound, how he crashed the Mexican Peso.

Funding pro-Islamist anti-Western groups as part of an ethnic grievance message to attack the moral underpinnings of Western Civilization is just one pressure tool of many, his Open Society network also funds and supports other ethnic grievance groups like BLM, MeCHA and other radical latino groups, etc. Find pressure points, find and exploit weaknesses and crash the system. In his God-complex mindset he and his supporters (short on ideologues and packed full of grifters and the power hungry) think they can manage the fall and replacement of Western classical liberalism with their own system. Remember that series of now hard to find Soros-front World Economic Forum videos? One described how in the future they envision we'd literally own nothing and be happy.

The ultimate goal is a One World Government run by him, his cronies and puppets for humanity's benefit, of course. His philosophy is inherently more fascist than marxist, but those are just two sides of the same coin – totalitarian socialism.

SBminisguy04 Dec 2023 8:58 a.m. PST

And this is an interesting alliance the Establishment media are trying to avoid -- the Western Left have been funding and promoting pro-Islamist anti-Western groups as part of their ethnic grievance message to attack the moral underpinnings of Western Civilization.

The Marxist deconstructionist worldview pushed by the left has morphed the "Bourgeoise vs Proletariat" struggle into a racial/ethnic "Oppressor vs Oppressed" struggle. In this worldview Judeo-Christian faith is now longer an obstacle to Socialism as an "Opiate of the Masses," but as a tool of the white Oppressor peoples against the brown-skinned Oppressed. Then too, any system or society founded on Judeo-Christian values are inherently racist and oppressive. Therefore, Israel is seen as an illegitimate province of the Oppressors into the Middle East that must be torn down to liberate the Oppressed and weaken the Oppressor US/West.

That's why you see so many University professors and students supporting Hamas and being overtly antisemitic. Look at the recent University of Pennsylvania pro-Hamas rally calling for genocide of the Jews, throwing smoke bombs and damaging university buildings, and calling for an American Intifada.

A pretty screwed up worldview which sees the Left and Islamists allied to tear down the West. And the foolish nihilistic Left think they'll be able to part ways when needed and impose their system on the US and Europe without interference-- except when the Left allied with Islamists in Iran to bring back the Ayatollah and promote their glorious Revolution! against the Shah, the Islamists were willing to commit any violence needed to win. So when the Ayatollah took over he butchered all the communists who were too slow to flee for their lives.

A certain prominent Middle Eastern-Levantine politician was once quoted as saying that Democracy was "like a bus, you ride it to where you want to go, and then you get off." Same thing with the Left's alliance with Islamists…the Islamists are embedded in our universities, they know how to mouth all the slogans and platitudes of the Left, and intend to ride the "Revolution" as far as they need to, and then get off -- the Left will get wiped out as surely as they were in Iran.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 9:15 a.m. PST

Please don't misread where I am coming from. I want Iran dealt with, and by that I mean ending their terror threat capacity as much as possible by military means. I hate the civilian casualties, but I have repeatedly said there is no other way.
Understand, and agree …

What I dislike is self-righteous media outlets using the war to attack US leaders in order to influence upcoming election outcomes. There has been some good reporting, but the bias is too obvious.
Influence elections by the media has been a staple forever. Bias … yes … also a standard. You know my take on the USA's current "leadership(?)" … 'nuff said …

SB +1

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 9:47 a.m. PST

SB +1

Islam is the overriding tenet of their existence. The spread of Islam and conversion of the world to Islam has never stopped since the 600's. There are periods of lethargy and temporary defeat, but it always starts up again. To ally with them is to be removed or absorbed. harmonious coexistence never lasts, ultimately Islam must prevail for them.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 10:22 a.m. PST

This is at the heart of it. I don't care what religion they practice as long as they leave the world alone, but they are convinced spiritual salvation is connected to killing everybody who is not with them.

I would love to see Iranian kids get the big helping of Western culture and modern freedoms they crave without the Morality Police going around making them disappear. Nothing will undermine this Iranian leadership more completely than some rock and roll and babes with make-up.

SBminisguy04 Dec 2023 12:29 p.m. PST

This is at the heart of it. I don't care what religion they practice as long as they leave the world alone, but they are convinced spiritual salvation is connected to killing everybody who is not with them.

And the Barbarians *within* our gates are helping them…

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 2:18 p.m. PST

"It's important to note that we believe this is an isolated threat that we were able to quickly mitigate,"

Why when it's Islamic inspired terrorism in this country, they always seem to say something like this?

These are not isolated and they happen all the time. Just 23 hours ago:

"The main suspect in an assault that left one tourist dead and two other people injured in Paris was known to French intelligence services for Islamist extremism and had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State before the attack, the French authorities said on Sunday."

I think when you attempt terrorism, you should be named, 16 or not.


Subject: Las Vegas police, FBI foil reported terror plot involving Islamic State


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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 3:53 p.m. PST

I do not get the level of enthusiasm for the Palestinian cause here in the US. I am sympathetic up to a point about what the Israelis have done to them, but the barbaric attack on Oct. 7 against women and children is in another league entirely. Hamas and Iran brought us to this moment, shielded now by their own women and children while holding hostages. Their crimes cannot go unanswered and they are the cause of the CD as well.

Bring Iran to justice, end Hamas first and foremost. Then if you want to support a Palestinian state, go ahead. But these protesters cannot see the forrest for the trees. The punching bag POTUS is getting rocked from both sides.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2023 7:49 p.m. PST

Again, a female member of Congress being interviewed on CNN tried to make what Hamas did to Israeli civilians somehow equated to Palestinian civilians killed by IDF air strikes, etc. It has not been taken well by many in the media. The interviewer said IDF troops are not raping, etc. But still, many don't blame anyone but Israel.

With all the videos Hamas took of them raping, torturing, dismembering, burning, executing, etc., etc. and laughing about it, etc. The stories are horrific, terrifying, heinous, medieval, Satanic, etc. ISIS did the same to Yazidi women as did the Turks during WWI to Armenian women.

Again, the only good thing is on 07-08 Oct. the IDF killed 1500+ Hamas that crossed into Israel. Many in those videos that did these war crimes were killed by the IDF. I hope the IDF showed little quarter. Those Hamas[and other islamic terrorists groups there] that murdered 1200 Israelis on that day. Never made it back to Gaza.

There should be no question by anyone with any morality, or a soul what they did what so, so, wrong on so many levels. But yet many are still supporting Palestinians and even Hamas. They were marching in NYC today in support of Palestinians which in turn are support for Hamas in many cases. Hamas is using their own people as human shields.

In this type of urban insurgency, CD will occur … all one can do in attempt to mitigate it. Hamas/islamic terrorist target non-combatants. Just like the Russians.

And yes, Iran has to be made to pay for their support of Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. They are the head of the snake. They and Hamas have to be made very, sorry for what they did.

However, with the USA's current policy Iran will get away with it.

The best the IDF can do is continue to kill Hamas and other islamic terrorists in Gaza. The IDF is prepping the battlefield in the South Gaza Strip currently. They are so far superior to Hamas et al. The body count of all these islamic terrorists will be massive. And much of the Gaza Strip and Gaza City will be rubbled. They must reap the whirlwind.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2023 6:12 a.m. PST

Women and men. I've heard babies and children too.


Subject: What We Know About Sexual Violence During the Oct. 7 Attacks on Israel – The New York Times


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