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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian15 Sep 2023 5:47 p.m. PST

A Ukrainian uncrewed surface vessel (USV) hit a Samum-class missile carrier hovercraft on Thursday, 14 September…

Ukrainian Pravda: link

Cuprum215 Sep 2023 7:33 p.m. PST

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web.telegram.org/a/#-1343786199

The photo of the ship was taken yesterday, after returning from a trip. I wonder what Ukrainians mean by "damage"? Did they scratch the paint?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian15 Sep 2023 8:36 p.m. PST

…The sources stated that the Russians had to tow the Samum away for repairs "with a significant tilt at the stern and listing to starboard"…

Dragon Gunner15 Sep 2023 9:28 p.m. PST

@Cuprum

Stock photo?

Straw Plaiter Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2023 1:41 a.m. PST

The scratch on the paintwork was so bad it had to be towed into port lol
twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1702957652739870902

Gunny B16 Sep 2023 2:59 a.m. PST

To be fair, the fact that is getting towed might have nothing to do with the drone attack. Just another mechanical failure of the might Russian war machine…

Cuprum216 Sep 2023 3:40 a.m. PST

I'm trying to see in both photos "a significant tilt to the stern and a list to starboard" – and I don't see… Just as I don't see any damage. The black spot – bottom right – is an element of camouflage.

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Just in case, here is a photo of this ship long before the recent events – the trim to the stern is present. Apparently this is his usual position.

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As for tugs, it's absolutely normal that they drag ships in the bay. This is exactly what they are intended for))) If the photo was taken on the open sea, then there would be something to talk about.

Another virtual victory)))
Glory to the next "Ghost of Kyiv"!)))

StillSenneffe16 Sep 2023 4:02 a.m. PST

So, which of the three photos above was taken yesterday?

Straw Plaiter Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2023 4:36 a.m. PST

Damaged or not the Russians will be pleased they can still use the missiles to murder and maim Ukrainian civilians.

soledad16 Sep 2023 6:22 a.m. PST

Tug do not normally drag ships into a bay. A vessel should be able to enter by its own power. No self-respecting captain would ask for a tug to be pulled into a bay.

Russia so well known for lying about everything and saying "everything is fine" that it is impossible to trust anything from Russians.

All those lies also makes it impossible for russia to learn and improve. Because if you do not acknowledge mistakes or failures how can you learn?

If everything is always going well and everything goes to plan, even when it is not good, how can you learn and avoid mistakes in the future?

A much better response would be, yes the Ukrainians hit the ship, how can we improve to avoid similar incidents in the future.

OSCS7416 Sep 2023 7:53 a.m. PST

I've been on many naval vessels only one ever got towed into port or a bay. It was crewed by civilian engineers and had an engineering malfunction. Of course the Russian Naval operations could be totally different than the US.

D6Craig16 Sep 2023 11:42 a.m. PST

Well, the middle photo looks more like it was taken at a Navy day, what with the flags and penants flying, and what looks like the rigging of a sailing ship on the right of the picture. It definitely doesn't look like a current picture from what is a war zone, presumably Cuprum2's handlers sent him the wrong stock photo.

williamb16 Sep 2023 12:44 p.m. PST

Cuprum2 did mention that the photo with the pennants was taken a long time ago. Another article said it was the Bora class ship "Samum". There are only two of them, Bora and Samum.

Cuprum216 Sep 2023 8:01 p.m. PST

The very first photo was taken after returning from a hike. I provided a link to its source – the Telegram channel dedicated to the Russian Black Sea Fleet. If this photo causes you doubts, do a Google search for the photo, look for previously published such photos on the Internet. I did it. There was no such photo on the Internet before. This means it is 90% likely to be genuine.
The rest were made much earlier and are given to confirm my words.

If the ship sails into the bay on its own, then what does it matter how it is brought to the pier? I personally don't know what kind of maneuverability these ships have at low speeds (attention!) – moving on a cushion of air… Perhaps there are some peculiarities in their mooring.

So do you see the trim to the stern described in the Ukrainian newspaper and the damage? It was a hundred percent lie – right?

There really are two ships of the same type. During wartime, names and identification numbers are painted over. But they can be distinguished by the location of camouflage spots and emblems on board. In my first photo it's definitely "Samum". And they are also leading him in tow.

Soledad, the war is going on, including in the information field. Everyone lies: Russians, Ukrainians, Western media… It's not easy to find out the truth. But this does not mean that false information disseminated by the media also comes through official channels. It's elementary…

And the fact that all sides have a lot of shortcomings in their armed forces is undoubtedly. And everyone is learning. The Ukrainians have recently changed their tactics on the front lines in many ways, and this has brought them some successes (albeit minor ones, at least for now). Now the Russians are developing new forms of counteraction in new conditions.

williamb16 Sep 2023 8:50 p.m. PST

Photo of Bora class ship at dock in 2007 link Note that the water is at the white line on the hull or below it.

Photo of Samum being towed link Note that the bow is raised above the water and at the stern the white line is below the water. The article also notes that the ship is listing to the starboard side.

Cuprum217 Sep 2023 12:01 a.m. PST

I've included enough photos above to show the waterline and normal stern trim of a serviceable ship.
I'll reveal a terrible secret: a ship loaded with fuel, ammunition and other supplies will sit deeper in the water than empty))) And perhaps even its balance will become slightly different ;-)

williamb17 Sep 2023 7:17 a.m. PST

Not true Cuprum2. Ships are designed so that when they are fully laden the waterline of the hull is just above the water and not below like the towed picture. The waterline is marked on ships to show how they are supposed to be when fully loaded.

Page with a lot of photos of the Bora Class link The first photo is of an unladen ship. The waterline of the whole ship is raised above the water surface. There is another further down and one of both ships in the class at dock and unladen. Other pictures show armed ships and the water line of the stern is not below the water like the photo of it being towed.

Cuprum217 Sep 2023 7:47 a.m. PST

The ship is at anchor. Your link.

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soledad17 Sep 2023 8:08 a.m. PST

That ship looks to be listing slightly and is deeper in the stern. That is not normal. No warship should look like that. I guess a near miss/hit damaged the propulsion system and the ship took on some water. Maybe she can be repaired, hopefully not.

But I guess everything is A-OK with the ship…

Dragon Gunner17 Sep 2023 11:16 a.m. PST

My prediction it will be sunk in the near future,
possibly captured in port or sold to Ukraine as war reparations when the war is over.

raylev317 Sep 2023 12:42 p.m. PST

Cuprum…the problem is that the Russians have lied so many times, and you have echoed their propaganda, that very few people believe Russia on anything to do with Putin's War.

williamb17 Sep 2023 1:32 p.m. PST

Cuprum2 that is only one out of 43 pictures. That does not prove what you are saying. If what you are saying was true than the majority of the pictures would be like that and they are not. Nor do any of them show the ship listing to starboard. Look up the purpose of having a waterline on a ship. No ship captain would want their ship be on an uneven keel while underway. Nor does it refute the picture of the ship being towed with its stern below the water line, its bow lifted out of the water, and the list to starboard. If a group of researchers tried to submit a document about their research with less than 2 1/2% of their data supporting their claims their claims would be denied.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2023 8:14 a.m. PST

Great pictures of Russian camo paint pattern though.

StillSenneffe18 Sep 2023 3:14 p.m. PST

Also, small craft like that are not towed into port by tugs unless there's a serious problem. It's not a super tanker, or indeed the Admiral Kuznetzov…

Cuprum218 Sep 2023 8:09 p.m. PST

I'm tired of arguing. Who cares? Even if there are some problems there (although the ship definitely arrived in the bay under its own power). The main thing is that the Ukrainians lied about some serious damage.
By the way, haven't you thought that the slight roll is just the moment the ship turns, captured in the photo?

nickinsomerset18 Sep 2023 10:11 p.m. PST

"The main thing is that the Ukrainians lied" Learning from the Ruscum,

Tally Ho!

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