"Vandalism Damages Monument to Frontiersman 'Kit' Carson" Topic

Police in New Mexico's capital city on Friday were investigating the partial destruction of a public monument to a 19th century frontiersman and U.S. soldier who had a leading role in the death of hundreds of Native Americans during Anglo-American settlement of the American West…

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Bet the vandals aren't actual Navajo, but upperclass white kids with an overblown sense of moral superiority and too much money (none of it earned by them).

Why not wait and find out?

That first paragraph isn't biased at all.

‘Cause it's a safe bet, advo.

And you probably wouldn't believe it if it didn't fit your prejudices.

Or past history of these shameful attacks.

It was never about slavery when they pulled down the CSA monuments. It has always been about the destruction of the history of the United States. That's why they have destroyed Black ACW soldiers monuments, and those to Jesus, St. Louis, and Christopher Columbus and others.

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And Abraham Lincoln, too!

How about the irony surrounding the Washington Redskins name and logo change, where now a group of actual full-blooded American Indians have started a petition calling for the owners to restore the 1972 logo? It has 120,000 signatures at this point!
And that logo? It was designed in 1972 by a member of the Blackfoot tribe, with the permission of the Blackfoot Nation, and is in fact a portrait of a prominent Blackfoot chieftain.
Furthermore, the term "Redskin" was never a pejorative, but comes from a Native American right-of-passage ceremony where the face of a young warrior would be painted or dyed red. The term was borrowed by the team when it moved to Boston (replacing the Boston Braves, now the Atlanta Braves), and was chosen because it resembled the "Red Sox" baseball team name— "Redskins" and "Red Sox" as the two professional teams in the city at the time.
For the record as well, the Boston Braves mascot was based on Chief Tammany, a celebrated New England Native American chieftain from the 17th century, a friend of the colonists, who was considered a sort of "patron saint" of the Patriots of the American Revolution. (The actual Tammany Hall was named after him— before, alas, it became associated with corruption.)

So all of this stuff doesn't "correct" any wrong at all. Instead, it erases history, and proves that the proponents of this erasure are ignorant of it.

"So all of this stuff doesn't "correct" any wrong at all. Instead, it erases history, and proves that the proponents of this erasure are ignorant of it."

They don't care; So long as they get their way, that's all that matters… :-(

I do have to admit, I have never learned any history by just looking at a statue, they rarely have any information about history or historic events. I have learned my history in school, by reading books and visiting battlefields, historic sites and museums. I doubt looking at the Kit Carson statue is going to tell me much of his life or the events he was involved with. So I really don't think we are erasing history if some statues get removed. Now, if they closed museums or historic sites then we have a problem.

History isn't just the statue. It's the motivation to honor the person, which is an important element of history and society. And that doesn't go away simply because views change regarding the honoree. Far better to use the statue as a point of discussion. I make exception for those who have personally suffered due to the behavior of the honoree— as say the action of tearing down statues of Stalin and Lenin in former Soviet subjugated states. They have a right. But when the acts are outside the living memory, then you have to wonder what the heck these people are claiming to be upset over.

I say put up a sign explaining the history, good and bad, and maybe create a monument to contrast the bad. But so much of this just seems to be wanton destruction to no positive purpose.

"I do have to admit, I have never learned any history by just looking at a statue, they rarely have any information about history or historic events."

You've never looked at a statue of a person or event and then went out and tried to find out more about that person, event or what a regiment or brigade did?

I have found myself doing that many times. I always found I wanted to know more. Just Locally plaques or statues have caused me to read about the battle of the Wabash, Simon Kenton's capture, captivity and escape, specifics of Morgan's raid through Ohio and Indiana, the shawnee and Miami tribes.

"a leading role in the death of hundreds of Native Americans during the settlement of the American West"

That description, in as much as it means anything at all, could apply to a number of men over the years who engaged in military operations against the Native Americans.

As I recall, Union officer Carson – married three times, twice to Native Amercian women- was not particularly enthusaistic over the expediton to clear out Navajo strongholds in Canyon de Chelly expedition.

Tearing down statues erases so much history!

Some time ago, I found out that the radical left had torn down a statue of King George III that was in Bowling Green, Manhattan. Grr, that's how come I never heard about George III before.
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