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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Aug 2023 7:47 p.m. PST

Of possible interest?

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doc mcb29 Aug 2023 4:37 a.m. PST

THC does good work.

Michael May29 Aug 2023 8:33 a.m. PST

Very much of an interest to me, thanks for posting. I note that this document is from 2013. Things sure have changed in the last 10 years.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP29 Aug 2023 2:12 p.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed it…


donlowry29 Aug 2023 4:17 p.m. PST

My father-in-law, who was originally from Texas, said he never knew that the "South" had lost the war until the joined the Navy.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP30 Aug 2023 12:08 p.m. PST

Not for me to say, as a card carrying national, if not a denizen, of a country wrent by a far smaller, but equally bitter civil war, after independence, but let me say it anyway.

The time comes to put it all behind you. It was all insanity, so easily avoided, and then destroyed a huge proportion of the country. Arguably, neither side achieved their war aims. Actually a bit like Ireland too.

Like many kids,I had several different Che posters on my bedroom wall next to a Battleflag of the Confederacy. The former came down first, the latter I could not show now, as with my CSA belt buckle (shame, I loved that and kept it, but it would be like wearing an SS emblem now)

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2023 2:24 p.m. PST



Marcus Brutus31 Aug 2023 5:51 p.m. PST

but it would be like wearing an SS emblem now

Too bad that it has come to that for you. The equation you make between the South and Nazi Germany is extreme too me.

Murvihill01 Sep 2023 4:18 a.m. PST

I think he's referring to the reaction he would get from the offended class if he wore it in public, not a moral comparison between the two.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2023 9:16 a.m. PST

Just so. Political movements and fringe groups in the US have effectively co-opted old CSA symbols like flags and insignia and uniforms and taken them away from collectors and re-enactors and Gone with the Wind fans (!) and turned them into belligerent ideological statements.

Of course, you could say the same thing about certain other symbols and banners, being tainted by association with unseemly groups or causes, but there is a kind of double-standard at work that doesn't see the Texas state flag -- flown in the Civil War by soldiers fighting for the CSA same as the Confederate battle Flag -- as corrupted; nor the US national flag that was and is flown by the KKK just as much as old CSA flags (Google the images).

Murvihill02 Sep 2023 3:16 a.m. PST

The irony of the negative reaction to Nazi iconography is that they were originally taken as trophies by victorious soldiers and displayed just like you'd put the sword of a defeated enemy on the wall. Only later did their possession imply you agreed with the ideology in some way.
Don't think Confederate regalia was treated the same way, though captured battle flags were often sent back home for display.

Marcus Brutus02 Sep 2023 8:56 a.m. PST

I think my favourite flag of all time is the AoNV's battle flag. It looks so good on the table top.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2023 9:03 a.m. PST

Could not agree more. The Battleflag of the Confederacy was a superb design, whatever its connotations and whatever it represented. Does anyone know its provenance?

Murvihill has it right I was not equating the Confederacy with Nazi Germany, but even simple display of the symbols of both is widely seen as unacceptable these days.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2023 2:19 p.m. PST

"The Confederacy's first official national flag, often called the Stars and Bars, flew from March 4, 1861, to May 1, 1863. It was designed by Prussian-American artist Nicola Marschall in Marion, Alabama, and is said to resemble the Flag of Austria, with which Marschall would have been familiar."

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Au pas de Charge11 Sep 2023 9:10 a.m. PST

Too bad that it has come to that for you. The equation you make between the South and Nazi Germany is extreme too me.

Oh I know what you mean, considering the Nazis rejected some Jim Crow racial science as too harsh, I'm sure they'd be alarmed at the comparison as well.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2023 2:26 p.m. PST



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