Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 28 Aug 2023 8:47 p.m. PST |
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doc mcb | 29 Aug 2023 5:37 a.m. PST |
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Michael May ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 Aug 2023 9:33 a.m. PST |
Very much of an interest to me, thanks for posting. I note that this document is from 2013. Things sure have changed in the last 10 years. |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 Aug 2023 3:12 p.m. PST |
Glad you enjoyed it… Armand
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donlowry | 29 Aug 2023 5:17 p.m. PST |
My father-in-law, who was originally from Texas, said he never knew that the "South" had lost the war until the joined the Navy. |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 Aug 2023 1:08 p.m. PST |
Not for me to say, as a card carrying national, if not a denizen, of a country wrent by a far smaller, but equally bitter civil war, after independence, but let me say it anyway. The time comes to put it all behind you. It was all insanity, so easily avoided, and then destroyed a huge proportion of the country. Arguably, neither side achieved their war aims. Actually a bit like Ireland too. Like many kids,I had several different Che posters on my bedroom wall next to a Battleflag of the Confederacy. The former came down first, the latter I could not show now, as with my CSA belt buckle (shame, I loved that and kept it, but it would be like wearing an SS emblem now) |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 31 Aug 2023 3:24 p.m. PST |
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Marcus Brutus | 31 Aug 2023 6:51 p.m. PST |
but it would be like wearing an SS emblem now Too bad that it has come to that for you. The equation you make between the South and Nazi Germany is extreme too me. |
Murvihill | 01 Sep 2023 5:18 a.m. PST |
I think he's referring to the reaction he would get from the offended class if he wore it in public, not a moral comparison between the two. |
piper909 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 01 Sep 2023 10:16 a.m. PST |
Just so. Political movements and fringe groups in the US have effectively co-opted old CSA symbols like flags and insignia and uniforms and taken them away from collectors and re-enactors and Gone with the Wind fans (!) and turned them into belligerent ideological statements. Of course, you could say the same thing about certain other symbols and banners, being tainted by association with unseemly groups or causes, but there is a kind of double-standard at work that doesn't see the Texas state flag -- flown in the Civil War by soldiers fighting for the CSA same as the Confederate battle Flag -- as corrupted; nor the US national flag that was and is flown by the KKK just as much as old CSA flags (Google the images). |
Murvihill | 02 Sep 2023 4:16 a.m. PST |
The irony of the negative reaction to Nazi iconography is that they were originally taken as trophies by victorious soldiers and displayed just like you'd put the sword of a defeated enemy on the wall. Only later did their possession imply you agreed with the ideology in some way. Don't think Confederate regalia was treated the same way, though captured battle flags were often sent back home for display. |
Marcus Brutus | 02 Sep 2023 9:56 a.m. PST |
I think my favourite flag of all time is the AoNV's battle flag. It looks so good on the table top. |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 09 Sep 2023 10:03 a.m. PST |
Could not agree more. The Battleflag of the Confederacy was a superb design, whatever its connotations and whatever it represented. Does anyone know its provenance? Murvihill has it right I was not equating the Confederacy with Nazi Germany, but even simple display of the symbols of both is widely seen as unacceptable these days. |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 09 Sep 2023 3:19 p.m. PST |
"The Confederacy's first official national flag, often called the Stars and Bars, flew from March 4, 1861, to May 1, 1863. It was designed by Prussian-American artist Nicola Marschall in Marion, Alabama, and is said to resemble the Flag of Austria, with which Marschall would have been familiar." Myths & Misunderstandings | The Confederate Flag
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A Brief History of the Confederate Flags
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Au pas de Charge | 11 Sep 2023 10:10 a.m. PST |
Too bad that it has come to that for you. The equation you make between the South and Nazi Germany is extreme too me. Oh I know what you mean, considering the Nazis rejected some Jim Crow racial science as too harsh, I'm sure they'd be alarmed at the comparison as well. |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 11 Sep 2023 3:26 p.m. PST |
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