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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian03 Nov 2005 9:58 a.m. PST

We've been batting around the idea of a sculpting contest for a long time, but I finally think I have a theme that would be fun doing:

Figures Inspired by Dark Dungeonslink

I think it would be a hoot to have Dungeon Mistress, Elfstar, or Black Leaf (before or after?) figures… or anyone else from the strip… or their characters… or anyone who should have been in the strip…

Since making figures based on a comic which condemns figures is a form of parody, I believe the contest would not violate anyone's IP rights.

Thoughts? Does the topic interest you? When should the contest begin (early 2006?), how long should the deadlines be? Should the winning sculpts be cast up and made available? Or is this idea a turkey?

Fechin Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 10:03 a.m. PST

I'm all for it! Really fun subject too, lends itself well to parody :-p

I won't comment on realistic deadlines & such as I'm not a sculptor, but I would add that even though I think it's a very cool idea & I'm curious what will be produced, I'm not likely to buy any of the miniatures produced (as they're probably going to be 28mm & that's not my scale).

PeteMurray Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 10:07 a.m. PST

BWAHAHAHAHA! I would sooooo buy a set of these. And ones for the family for Christmas. Excelsior.

Lord Hypnogogue Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 10:10 a.m. PST

I'd like to see a karaoke machine with tentacles.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian03 Nov 2005 10:13 a.m. PST

I guess someone could do the Big Hulking Dragon on Marcie's bed…

PeteMurray Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 10:33 a.m. PST

We need a Cthulhu-headed Mike and a Minister on Fire, too.

Grinning Norm03 Nov 2005 10:42 a.m. PST

Looks like a lot of fun. I guess about half a year might be nice to play around with putty a bit, though I guess most of us part-time sculptors couls also do with say two or three months.

And I love this cartoon.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP03 Nov 2005 10:49 a.m. PST

Have you ever considered that Chick might be right and we are all damned if we don't take Jesus into our lives right now ?

hunyadi Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 10:56 a.m. PST

Crazy comic :-)

Is it the figures they condemn or Dungeons and Dragons. Will I avoid damnation if I just refight battles from the Old Testament?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian03 Nov 2005 11:04 a.m. PST

I think it's fantasy figures that are in the flames, along with all of the D&D material…

Vanilla Gorilla Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 11:17 a.m. PST

I'll sculpt Tony Stark, the book burning preacher from that comic.

Who knew Iron Man had so much free time?

(I've had a copy of that tract since College.. some of that stuff is really funny, but some of it is definately hate literature, which then crosses over into scary from funny.)

Personal logo Wyatt the Odd Supporting Member of TMP Fezian03 Nov 2005 11:19 a.m. PST

Patrick R -

Funny that you should mention it, but I received a vision from Jesus last night (can I get an "Amen")

In it, I saw Heaven (Hallelujah) and in Heaven I saw that there was gaming. And it was Good. (another Amen, brothers and sisters)

And, lo! In my vision I did see Jesus Himself (Hallellujah) and He was rolling the dice and checking against His reaction bonus (increase organ music here) And He did roll a natural 20 – for as we know Jesus saves! (Hallelujah!) The rest of the party took half damage.

As I watched further, Jesus showed me a vision of Hell. It was truly horrible brothers and sisters, for in my vision I saw that each sinner had grown ugly with the weight of their sin and was confined to a 10x10 room – with a chest.



Fechin Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 11:20 a.m. PST

"Will I avoid damnation if I just refight battles from the Old Testament?"

Only if the results of your games are in line with biblical orthodoxy.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Nov 2005 11:40 a.m. PST

Just my luck I'd wind up in heaven playing against Jesus and his dad.

Another 6? That makes 12,639,734,066,873,217,564 in a row. How lucky can one guy get?

Trapondur Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 11:54 a.m. PST

you're risking wargaming getting its own chick tract.

and while I like that notion somehow, I still think the idea is turkey.
chick tracts are americana. this is an international site, imo.

The Gonk Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 12:45 p.m. PST

…and I'd just a soon have nothing to do with a Jack Chick tract, personally. I'd rather see something open-ended like the 1ListSculpting VIPs.

Personal logo Thomas Whitten Supporting Member of TMP03 Nov 2005 12:47 p.m. PST

The speaker looks like Mr. Brady for the later episodes of the Brady Bunch.

NightskyWildfire Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 1:00 p.m. PST

@Thomas Whitten…..Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

I spent way too much time surfing around that site and am wondering how much Jack Daniels my rite of purification will take now. I will of course use the Jack Daniels mantra from the bottle:

This rare, sippin' whiskey is made at the Jack Daniel Distillery in Lynchburg, Tennessee, using pure cave spring water and a unique mellowing process perfected by Jack Daniel in 1866.
The distinctively pleasing flavour is the reason they'll always stay faithful to the slow, time-honoured methods their founder insisted upon.

Maybe the spirit of Lem Motlow will visit me later as I pray at the porcelain altar.

RavenscraftCybernetics Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 1:42 p.m. PST

This is right up T. Meier's alley. Sure hope he sees this.

Inmate 928829 Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 1:55 p.m. PST

[and while I like that notion somehow, I still think the idea is turkey. chick tracts are americana. this is an international site, imo.]

Not entirely true. You can buy them in English AND Spanish.

Why offend people's intelligence in only English, eh?

Scurvy Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 2:23 p.m. PST

I grant thee a cool point Mr Ed. Bloody funny idea!

Crusaderminis Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 2:24 p.m. PST

Well, I've seen the light. The enemy (Satan – for those slow of thinking) has had a hold on me toooooo long.

From now on I'll base my ranges on proper Christian Values.

Crusades followed quickly by the Spanish Inquisition and some Witch Finders – as a skirmish range.

Have to say as a sculpting contest this does absolutely nothing for me….

Personal logo Thomas Whitten Supporting Member of TMP03 Nov 2005 2:36 p.m. PST

Now don't paint all of us Christians with the same brush. Besides, I've got a special dispensation from Mr. Brady himself to role-play and war game in the hopes I can pull others from the path of damnation. One perk is after I turn someone to the light, I take the burden of ridding themselves of their satanic positions off of them. All the items are hidden safely away in my basement till I get around to burning them.

As for the contest, I call sculpting one of the lead figures after it has been through the fire.

Battlestandard Miniatures Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 3:04 p.m. PST

For what it is worth not all of us who are Christians feel that way about RPG's or even the seedier miniatures out there. I have my fair share of Chaos figures.

The subject is far more complex than such an ill conceived cartoon portrays. From my point of view, as a pretty devout Christian, that cartoon is a better tool for Satan's purposes of driving people from Christ than any RPG ever written.

Bill, I like the idea of a sculpting contest but perhaps a different subject?


Personal logo jimbomar Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 4:28 p.m. PST


As much as I'd enjoy lampooning christians of that persuasion (and believe me I would)a couple of comments.

1. For amateur sculptors I think its harder to reproduce a an existing image exactly than sculpt their own interpretation of a subject. i.e. rather than say 'copy michaelagelo's David in 25mm' you have 'do a 25mm version of David from the Bible'

2. The 1listsculpting and Frothers comps tend to be pretty generic topics, it gives a more interesting range of sculpts and encourages more people to participate.

3. If its going to be a competition, please have a pro and amateur category.I think the Frothers comps need this. The 1listsculpting challenges aren't actually competitions,everyone who pays to enter gets cast and a set of all the sculpts.

4. 3 months for the entry. Do a deal with a manufacturer to cast all entries for a modest fee( 1listsculpting runs from $25-50 each?), sculptors get a set and TMP has the option of selling sets.

Gecoren03 Nov 2005 5:02 p.m. PST

Wow cool strip. I thought Order of the Stick was good. When's the next installment?


LeiFeng Inactive Member03 Nov 2005 6:24 p.m. PST

how about 'denizens of the lounge'as a theme? I'd love to join any contest but my sculpting arm is in plaster til December, pls have a long time for submissions :)

Personal logo Panzerfaust Supporting Member of TMP04 Nov 2005 12:30 a.m. PST

As a possible alternative contest, may I suggest 28mm figures personifying some common TMP types such as:

Sock Puppet
Grammar Nazi
Message Board Troll
Thread Pirate
Supporting Member (well maybe not)
Typical Wargamer
Dawg House Denizen
Scale Creep
Rivet Counter
And The Editor

Personal logo Panzerfaust Supporting Member of TMP04 Nov 2005 1:14 a.m. PST

Bill, don't you think that the artwork in that Chick cartoon looks suspiciously like Liz Danforth's style? Pull out some old copies of Space Gamer and compare them. Maybe she moonlighted for the opposition.

zz9resident Inactive Member04 Nov 2005 5:06 a.m. PST

"chick tracts are americana. this is an international site, imo."

Well I'm in the UK and back in the days when 1st Edition AD&D was the cutting edge of our hobby I was sent a copy of Dark Dungeons anonymously. UK fundies were circulating Chick tracts and attacking D&D; there was lots of coverage of Chick in UK gaming magazines back in the 1980s.

As one of my D&D players later became "born again" and burnt all his games and figs I think I know who sent me the comic, but it was a bit weird at the time.

I love the Chick website, I've read them all. And I'm up for buying figs based on Black Leaf, etc. But someone has to do one of Chick himself.

zz9resident Inactive Member04 Nov 2005 5:09 a.m. PST

Oh yeah and…

The paper copy of Dark Dungeons that I have from the 1980s says to burn your JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis too. This bit has been removed from the on-line version.

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member04 Nov 2005 7:11 a.m. PST

Yes count me in! Gotta be inspiration there. But could it be thrown open to any of the masterpieces of the loathsome Mr Chick? Even better can someone devise a Jack Chick RPG? That should mess with his head!

I have a serious Christian sculpting project in pipeline too so watch this space, hopefully out for next Easter…

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member04 Nov 2005 7:45 a.m. PST

Chainsaw-armed devil, the queer dentists with their demonic pets, 70s porn star pastor, there is just so much scope here!

mjkerner Supporting Member of TMP04 Nov 2005 11:47 a.m. PST

"Have you ever considered that Chick might be right and we are all damned if we don't take Jesus into our lives right now?"

No, can't say that I have.

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member04 Nov 2005 1:38 p.m. PST

Did you ever notice that they're playing with REALLY BIG figures? Perhaps scale creep is a portent of the Apocalypse.


aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member04 Nov 2005 1:45 p.m. PST

The Tolkien/Lewis critique is still in one of the online articles, on RPGs:


Minimaker Inactive Member05 Nov 2005 2:11 p.m. PST

This one is quite funny: link

Not sure if I can participate in this competition but I'll try. Not feeling very inspired by the subject though.

Avalokitesvara Inactive Member08 Nov 2005 12:41 a.m. PST

I'm not sure I quite understand the theme. In this comic they discuss roleplaying and you see a few figures in the foreground. Basically – doing just any generic fantasy type and saying that it is inspired by this comic would do.

I'm allways interested (don't allways make it until deadline though – and that has nothing with the time given to do, just that when I start to aproach finishing I sometimes get disgusted with the figure and choose not to finish it)but the subject could need some clarification I think.

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member08 Nov 2005 10:21 a.m. PST

Blackleaf doesn't get to save against poison. + don't you have to test to successfully cast a light spell? Shows he did his research!

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member08 Nov 2005 10:31 a.m. PST

"There are actually nine possible combinations of alignment, ranging from Lawful Good (the Crusader)…"

speaks volumes! The diatribe against the concept of 'Lawful evil' as 'moral ambiguity/confusion' is bizarre. Does he not feel the description given would fit eg, the SS?

And apparently, as all ex-satanists know, the Necronomicon and Cthulu mythos are real! Per-llleeease…
Frightening! and Mr. Chick's output doesn't constitute 'mind-games'?

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member08 Nov 2005 10:36 a.m. PST

I've often contemplated writing a spoof tract denouncing Shakespeare as occult, bloodthirsty indecent filth totally unfit for young minds…

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member08 Nov 2005 10:38 a.m. PST

NB also this Schnoebelen chap argues that D&D has inherent dangers, as opposed to Chick who assures us little devils swarm in D&D material. Bit of a leap between the 2 positions?

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member08 Nov 2005 11:12 a.m. PST

Anyone got a picture of chick? Then we could do a miniature of him being damned by the gigantic faceless 'Chick God' and little devils screwing a gimlet into his posterior…

Trapondur Inactive Member08 Nov 2005 12:34 p.m. PST

well, come to think a chickthulu mini with squid tentacles has something…

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop08 Nov 2005 1:01 p.m. PST

Chick knocks SAN points off me for sure…

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