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Field Marshal24 Jul 2023 7:15 p.m. PST

I am building the armies for the battle of agincourt. I want to try a variety of rules to see which are the best for me. People have said that a few dba games can help before jumping into dbm. Is it true? Or can I jump straight into dbm?


Titchmonster24 Jul 2023 7:29 p.m. PST

Both work. The rules vary but if I'm right the armies are larger in DBM. So DBA would allow you to use your armies as you build the stands out. Just a thought

BillyNM24 Jul 2023 10:41 p.m. PST

+1 Titchmonster, start with DBA while building your armies (only need 12 bases) while building up to the much larger DBM armies. I tend to have stuck at v2.0 for DBM.

The Last Conformist25 Jul 2023 1:26 a.m. PST

I'd suggest going straight for DBM (or DBMM, which is somewhere between DBM 4.0 and a related game) if that's were you see yourself ending up. Transitioning between two similar systems is a recipe for confusion.

You can play DBM at smaller points totals to get started.

Khazarmac25 Jul 2023 4:35 a.m. PST

To be honest, I'd go for DBMM, as that is the latest iteration of the DBX ancient & medieval rules. It can be a bit of an investment to get the rules and all four supplements, but you could just get the rules and volume 4, the late medieval one, to start with.

If you are trying other rule sets, MeG is worth a look. Also Field of Glory: Ancient & Medieval.

batesmotel3425 Jul 2023 4:47 a.m. PST

La Arte de la Guerre (ADLG) is the currently most popular Ancient/Medieval rules, at least for tournament play in the US. It is inspired by DBA/DBM but many improvements and new ideas and uses larger armies than DBA but smaller than DBM/DBMM. Armies normally run in the range of 20-30 elements and use standard WRG basing. Foot elements other than light infantry are represented by two DBA/DBM single rank elements, while mounted are single stands equivalent to DBA/DBM. Games tend to be fast er than with DBM/DBMM and require less space for a standard 200 point game.

platypus01au25 Jul 2023 8:55 p.m. PST

DBMM does medieval warfare quite well. Both French and English armies for the 100YW are included in the rules as examples of army lists.

If you wish a smaller game that the standard 400AP game, there is a 200AP variant included that works very well for Medieval battles. Here in Canberra we almost always use the 200 AP variant as it required less figures and plays faster, while still having the rich complexity of these rules.


Khazarmac26 Jul 2023 3:53 a.m. PST

Echoing batesmotel34, ADLG is a good set of rules. I play it, so I don't know why I forgot to mention it! Fast to play and you don't need as many models.

MajorB26 Jul 2023 9:09 a.m. PST

I never bothered with DBM or DBMM. I have found BBDBA works very well. Oh and make sure to use DBA 3.0

longspear27 Jul 2023 9:20 a.m. PST

Although they both use the same basic ideas I think both games feel pretty different to the other. Like is said above, I'd say either jump straight to DBM (DBMM?) or go Big battle DBA.

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2023 3:03 p.m. PST

Big Ditto to Major B. I have found all other rules besides DBA give me a head ache trying figure out all the options. I have been playing Big Battle DBA since early 1990s (even before it was in the book). A year ago the local club did all the battles of the War of the Roses with Giant Battle DBA -- 5 players on a side, each with a 12 element command. 6 by 12 foot table. Played very smoothly and looked great.

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