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4th Cuirassier23 May 2023 3:38 a.m. PST

All Hinchliffe makes is 4, 8 and 12 pounder Gribeauval, and limbers, but in fact if you want An XI 6-pounders and An XI limbers the choice seems pretty limited – to the point in fact where I can't find any.

There must be someone who makes an An XI 6-pounder and limber in 25mm?

Brechtel198 In the TMP Dawghouse23 May 2023 4:28 a.m. PST

The vehicles for Systeme AN XI were not made in quantity, if at all. Using a Gribeauval System limber would be entirely appropriate and accurate for an AN XI 6-pounder.

For Systeme AN XI, the following might be helpful. It is from Professor N Persy's Elementary Treatise on the Forms of Cannon & Various Systems of Artillery, 18:

'With very few exceptions, all the innovations prescribed by the decree of year XI, and those which came after it were abrogated, and the system of Gribeauval, exhibited in detail in the tables of construction, rigorously restored.'

The 'few' exceptions were the 6-pounder and the 12-pounder the gun tubes being cast at a lighter weight per pound of round than the Gribeauval models.

And the Gribeauval System was continued in use in Spain and with the Grande Armee through the campaign of 1809 in Austria. See Saski, Volume I.

BillyNM23 May 2023 9:33 a.m. PST

Elite Minitures, Calpe and Perry all do French 6pdrs – presumably AnXI? Perry also do teams and limbers pulling French 6pdrs.
I suspect others might also make them.

Brechtel198 In the TMP Dawghouse23 May 2023 10:38 a.m. PST

French 6-pounders were either captured ordnance of AN XI.

4th Cuirassier23 May 2023 12:26 p.m. PST

@ Billy

Neither Calpe nor Elite do any limbers or horse teams. Perry does do a limbered 6-pounder but it may be oversize for Hinchliffe and unfortunately it comes as a package with four horses. I kinda think it needs six, and a 12-pounder would I think need eight or maybe even ten.

Using a Gribeauval System limber would be entirely appropriate and accurate for an AN XI 6-pounder….French 6-pounders were either captured ordnance of AN XI.

That's interesting, so could one plausibly put a Prussian 6-pounder on a Gribeauval limber and paint it French green?

Brechtel198 In the TMP Dawghouse23 May 2023 3:58 p.m. PST

Why not?

The French captured immense amounts of allied ordnance.

French 6-pounders required a four-horse gun team. 12-pounders required 6. All calibers used for French horse artillery were given 6-horse gun teams.

4th Cuirassier24 May 2023 1:18 a.m. PST

A logistical nightmare though surely? Did An XI, Prussian, Russian and Austrian 6-pounders all fire the same round given that all their pound weights were slightly different?

Trockledockle24 May 2023 3:37 a.m. PST

I don't know anything about this but would a Mexican 6pdr from the 1848 period work as a French 6 pounder. It seems to have a bracket type carriage but there is no information available. Curteys make one in 28mm.

4th Cuirassier24 May 2023 7:54 a.m. PST

Interesting – maybe. Hinchliffe does a 3-pdr and 6-pdr British battalion gun, whatever those were; they have bracket trails.

Trockledockle24 May 2023 1:20 p.m. PST

The only information I can find is that the Mexicans used Gribeauval 4 and 8 pounders so they may have adopted another French gun.

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