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ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa20 May 2023 1:23 a.m. PST

Adapting, evolving or just actually doing what they were supposed to be in the first place?
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Heedless Horseman Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2023 4:41 a.m. PST

Said it before. Do not expect Russians to remain terminally stupid Many of stupid, 'weeded' by now.

soledad20 May 2023 6:58 a.m. PST

They should have done this from the beginning! Now they have less gun and the ones they have are much more worn which gives less accuracy.

After being smacked around for more than a year this adapting might be too little too late.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 May 2023 8:15 a.m. PST

Apparently not, as I just watched a video about Ukrainian artillery near Bakhmut – they say the counter-battery fire goes after the wrong target!

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa20 May 2023 9:01 a.m. PST

Link to the actual report the article is based on. The executive summary alone is a more interesting read than the article. Apparently Russian air defences are able to intercept GMLRS strikes and their EW is achieving real-time decryption of Ukrainian comms and causing heavy losses among Ukrainian drones.
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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2023 11:24 a.m. PST

Well after over a year of combat, you'd think the Russian's may have learned something.

Druzhina20 May 2023 2:02 p.m. PST

So the Russians have adapted to static warfare, but, may struggle if things change – like mobile warfare of a Ukrainian offensive.


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ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa20 May 2023 2:43 p.m. PST

Substituting 120mm mortars for actual field artillery doesn't sound too healthy either. But I know exactly how it will spun as a great piece of Russian improv.

I've also heard it suggested that Russia's defensive lines since they've been constructed by mobniks, probably with minimal training, may not be as good as they could be…

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2023 5:04 p.m. PST

IMHO the main adaptation of the Russians throughout history… seems to be how to invade, kill, rape and destroy countries that they determine… especially their neighbors.


They really show as bad people…

Armand

Blutarski20 May 2023 6:02 p.m. PST

"We only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down".


Victoria Nuland, Lloyd Austin, Anthony Blinken, Volodymyr Zelensky and Adolf Hitler assessing the Russians.

I prefer to wait and see how events unfold.

B

smithsco20 May 2023 6:02 p.m. PST

Not bad for the Russians…their finally living in the late 20th century…oh wait. US army has been using computers to support field artillery since the 1960s. So this isn't your great grandpa's Russian army anymore. Just your grandpa's Russian army. Besides nukes why is anyone scared of Russia. They're like the Ottomans circa 1900

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2023 7:46 p.m. PST

smithsco +1


may struggle if things change like mobile warfare of a Ukrainian offensive.
That will be the real test/proof of Russian capabilities … To fight modern mobile combined arms warfare.


Of course, Ukraine can't go on the offensive until all the US/NATO equipment gets there. Which as I have said many times before, it should have been there months ago. The biggest military in NATO is leading from the rear.

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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 May 2023 8:59 p.m. PST

…their EW is achieving real-time decryption of Ukrainian comms and causing heavy losses among Ukrainian drones…

I'm seeing mixed reports on this. The Ukrainians were saying that, after some time with great success with drones, the Russians were finally finding ways to jam or defeat Ukrainians (Chinese) drones.

On the other hand, we're seeing a lot of reports recently of Ukrainian drone success, both tactically and strategically. In a video I saw, Ukrainian drone operators said that kamikaze drones were not airborne long enough for the Russians to counter them. We've also seen the first use of napalm-drones against trenches.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 May 2023 10:34 a.m. PST

"The first victim of war is truth."

That being said, I would not trust anything Putin/Russians say.

Blutarski21 May 2023 2:13 p.m. PST

"The first victim of war is truth."

….. How much do you trust Zelensky & Friends?

B

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP21 May 2023 5:03 p.m. PST

IMHO …This question borders to ridicule… same if you ask if in WW2 one believed more to Hitler or to Churchill…


I don't see Zelensky as a bloodthirsty monster that bombs civilians, kidnaps them, humiliates them, rapes and destroys them and they country without any cause… I see Putin and the Russians doing that cleary…


Armand

BenFromBrooklyn21 May 2023 6:10 p.m. PST

"We only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down".

Paul Von Hindenburg in WWI. He was right.

Also Emperor Meiji the Great prior to stomping the Russians in the Russo Japanese War.

Russian invincibility is a myth. They won WW2, and they beat Napoleon… both times facing over confident imperialists. Their record apart from that is spotty.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 May 2023 7:59 p.m. PST

How much do you trust Zelensky & Friends?
More than Putin and the Russians.


Ben +1

raylev324 May 2023 9:55 p.m. PST

How much do you trust Zelensky & Friends?

LOL…far more than Putin!

UshCha25 May 2023 10:07 a.m. PST

The Russians were so good in WW2 we had to supply them 1 million blankets they were so good at logistics, and a large proportion of the trucks they used. Basically without the west they would have lost in WW2. They never were invincible.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2023 10:54 a.m. PST

Agreed … the US and the UK sent AFVs, rolling stock/trucks, etc. However, they did produce hundreds of thousands of their own MBTs, AFVs, FA, etc., etc. Plus had a large number of troops from their own population.

They killed over 70%+ of the Axis troops on the Eastern Front. Including German, Italian, etc.

I think they still would have won in the long run as they out produced and outnumbered the Axis. So, IMO size does matter … in this case. The Axis could not sustain the numbers in all types of assets. The Russians just kept making thousands upon thousands of Tanks, FA, etc. as well as almost an endless number of bodies to throw in the line[meatgrinder]. Losses meant little to them. Kind of like today in the Ukraine. But today they don't have the industrial complex nor bodies to send to the front. As in WWII.

But yes, they are not invincible …

dapeters25 May 2023 11:51 a.m. PST

I am not sure being a Russian on the Russian front was any better then being a axis soldier. And after the war they treated their war veterans with at best suspicion.

UshCha25 May 2023 1:48 p.m. PST

Leigon 4 – no trucks no fuel so no tanks in effect. They won because we gave them Huge amounts of kit. They only made tanks because we supplied most everything else.

Not doing it on your own prevents you realistically calling yourself invincible.

There best bit was supplying bodies to die at extraordinary rates, whether that was sensible or not. We destroyed Germany here while making massive contributions to the war effort in Russia. Russia did not sen aid to Europe. Russia was never invincible we the west are the closest to invincible not Russia.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2023 3:24 p.m. PST

Well said…


Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2023 6:24 p.m. PST

I am not sure being a Russian on the Russian front was any better then being a axis soldier.
Yes you had a good probability of dying or be maimed, etc., on either side. Thousands never came back or were ever seen again.


no trucks no fuel so no tanks in effect.
Yes we gave them a large number of Studebakers, etc.

As I have quoted many times, "Amateurs study tactics … professionals study logistics." I was both a tactician & logician while on Active Duty for over a decade. I know about the importance of Log in mechanized warfare, etc.

There best bit was supplying bodies to die at extraordinary rates, whether that was sensible or not.

The Russian numbers would be telling regardless, IMO. As the Axis Logistics was "Better", but still had problems supplying their forces effectively in the East. Just like in the West e.g., many German AFVs broke down, ran out of fuel, etc.

The Russians just kept making more … of everything.

The Russians could have defeated the Axis on the Eastern Front without Lend Lease. It just would have taken longer and cost more lives.

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We destroyed Germany here while making massive contributions to the war effort in Russia.
Of course some of our best GENs were :

Gen. Food
Gen. Motors
Gen. Electric

The AFVs, rolling stock, etc. that the US & UK sent was especially useful after the German[Axis] invasion, Operation Barbarossa, severely attited Russian men & material.

But they did eventually start producing huge numbers of AFVs, rolling stock, etc. The US's & UK's material support certainly helped. But the Russians still produced huge numbers of everything. Now all the Studebakers and other rolling stock freed up some production lines to build AFVs, etc. But Russians did produce a lot of trucks, etc. on their own.

The Russians certainly defeated the Axis on the Eastern Front. At a great cost to themselves. More than the Axis lost IIRC.

Russia was never invincible we the west are the closest to invincible not Russia.
Yes, they never were invincible and as we see today, they are not any different than in WWII. But without the production capabilities.

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