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doc mcb19 May 2023 6:02 p.m. PST

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I've no trouble with statues honoring Galloway or Crumpler, but why in the world REMOVE the Emancipator? It's nuts.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2023 6:15 p.m. PST

Doc +1.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2023 11:56 p.m. PST

It is nuts.

By today's standards, 98% of whites in the 19th Century would be considered racist. Lincoln would be no exception. But by the standards of the 19th Century, Lincoln was far ahead of anyone else except for a small number of Abolitionists.

Without Lincoln, there would not have been emancipation or a 13th Amendment. In fact, without Lincoln, the CSA might still be in existence. Do they have any idea what their lives today would be like without Lincoln?

The other thing about this that is a cause for concern is the response by the University. I understand not wanting to hurt these Gen. Y kiddos' feelings, but at some point, you have to say shut up and go back to class or consider yourselves suspended and banned from campus. Otherwise, the inmates are going to be running the institution.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2023 4:43 a.m. PST

OC, unfortunately what you say, is not what they have been hearing…. For years.

Dadster Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2023 8:40 a.m. PST

History is history for all its scars and warts. These are attempts to erase facts.
It is improper to condemn those of the past based upon our modern sense of morality. The person must be judged within the context of the time in which he or she lived, otherwise it is prejudicial.

Greylegion20 May 2023 8:54 a.m. PST

Exactly Dadster. Hind site 20/20, and all…..

Disco Joe20 May 2023 9:45 a.m. PST

If the kids don't like it they can leave the school. I am sure their parents would be happy with that.

Striker20 May 2023 9:54 a.m. PST

It's Madison, color me surprised. The UW has to balance between the "cleanse it all" crowd and respectability as something other than protestor-central of the Midwest. If they pulled down the Haig statue why wouldn't Lincoln or any other person be removed?

Oh and for the "it's not like they want to rewrite or remove history" folks:

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"I just think he did, you know, some good things … the bad things that he's done definitely outweighs them," McWhorter said. "And I do want the 100% removal of the statue. I don't want it to be moved somewhere or anything like that. I want it removed."

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In a September 2015 broadcast of PBS Wisconsin's "University Place," University of Wisconsin-Madison Scandinavian Studies Professor Julie K. Allen shared that Heg was the commander of the 15th Wisconsin Volunteer Regiment, which included Norwegian and Swedish immigrants and was the only non-English-speaking regiment to serve in the Union Army during the Civil War. Heg was a resident of Muskego and "was active in the anti-slavery movement and the early Republican Party. He died in 1863 after being wounded at the Battle of Chickamauga in northwest Georgia," WisContext reported in 2016.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2023 1:35 p.m. PST

Striker, question.

"University of Wisconsin-Madison Scandinavian Studies Professor Julie K. Allen shared that Heg was the commander of the 15th Wisconsin Volunteer Regiment, which included Norwegian and Swedish immigrants and was the only non-English-speaking regiment to serve in the Union Army during the Civil War. "

Did actually say the "only" non English speaking regiment in the Union Army?

Maybe he meant the only Norwegian and Swedish speaking regiment. I don't know if there were others. Or maybe no one in the regiment understood English, but that would be doubtful due to orders being passed.

There were a lot of predominantly non-English regiments where other languages predominated. The old comrades of the 35th OVI, the 9th OVI being one. All Germans.

"Adjutant -- August Willich.
Quartermaster -- Joseph Graff.
Adjutant Willich became the real drillmaster of the
organization. He not only taught the Prussian system
of tactics and drill, but also commanded in the German
language. "

Also

"Largely due to Willich's persuasive
powers, the great majority of the Ninth Ohio responded
enthusiastically to the Governor's appeal, and on May
27, the men were sworn in for three years' service by
Colonel Robert Anderson, the hero of Fort Sumter.
Colonel Anderson read the oath in English, and Judge
Stallo repeated it in German."

So my bet is he meant Norwegian and Swedish. 🙂

Subject: OHJ Archive


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Au pas de Charge20 May 2023 3:33 p.m. PST

What exactly is the issue? They've been discussing this for years. It appears the problem is a desire to add a plaque that indicates Lincoln condemned a lot of Native Americans to death without benefit of full trials. Also that the statue was funded by racists. In any case, we do live in a democracy and if some students want to protest this statue, why cant they? Students like to protest; gets the old folks riled up.

That comment about erasing history is misplaced. Statues are not history (Except, perhaps, the history of art)and those who maintain that they are are sorely mistaken. Some of you need to bone up on American traditions and concepts of statues, symbols and speech. Otherwise, you're just blurting your opinions, exactly the same as those students are.

rmaker20 May 2023 5:11 p.m. PST

Lincoln condemned a lot of Native Americans to death without benefit of full trials

This is nonsense. In fact, Lincoln commuted a large number of death sentences against Native Americans, sometimes even voiding convictions.

Zephyr120 May 2023 10:44 p.m. PST

Can't wait until they go after Andrew Jackson and start burning 20 dollar bills in protest… ;-)

Brechtel19821 May 2023 7:39 a.m. PST

What exactly is the issue?

Excellent posting.

I would submit that those doing the complaining actually have no idea what the issue is. They apparently subscribe to the middle school idea, which is also practiced in Congress, that the loudest and angriest voice 'wins.'

donlowry21 May 2023 8:25 a.m. PST

The students have a right to protest -- that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Also, I have a right to protest against their protesting.

Cement Head21 May 2023 12:29 p.m. PST

I have lived in Madison my entire life and there is no doubt that Madison is a pretty liberal city. But…there are 50,000 students on the Madison campus and 200 are somewhat distrought. That is about .004% of the students. Geez….

Brechtel19821 May 2023 6:15 p.m. PST

The squeaky wheels usually get the grease…

mjkerner24 May 2023 9:09 a.m. PST

I've lived and worked in Madison for 45 years. I disagree with Cement Head. It is the "Berkely of the Midwest" and "75 square miles surrounded by reality". Liberals predominate roughly 75/25 percent, according to voting trends. It is a cesspool of the worst kind of Liberalism. The city and country governments are extremely liberal and wholly supported the BLM/Antifa riots (insurrections?) of 2020. I'd love to move, but too many roots and too old to start over elsewhere.

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2023 12:53 p.m. PST

"Do they have any idea what their lives today would be like without Lincoln?"

No, no they don't. That's the problem with letting nonsense like 1619 be taught instead of actual history.

He who controls the past controls the present. He who controls the present controls the future.

It is intentional, in my opinion.

Wolfhag30 May 2023 4:54 a.m. PST

Otherwise, the inmates are going to be running the institution.

Too late, they already are.

Wolfhag

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