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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian18 May 2023 5:13 p.m. PST

…Ukrainian surgeons who contributed to the report said artillery and rockets caused 70 percent of wounds and deaths. Anti-tank guided missiles are also a major threat; the report cites a Ukrainian source as saying that strikes on unarmored or lightly armored vehicles typically killed 70 percent of those inside…

Defense One: link

Heedless Horseman Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2023 8:38 p.m. PST

Well, if in a Can that gets Hit… a lot of Guys are basically a bag of Soup. :( :( :(

SBminisguy18 May 2023 8:46 p.m. PST

That's pretty consistent from other large wars like WW1 and WW2 – artillery (explosives) caused most casualties, not bullets. In asymmetrical conflicts like Occupation-phase Iraq or Afghanistan most casualties came from another type of explosives – IEDs.

Same goes for penetrating hits on tanks from WW1 through to today, depending on the design most (if not all) of the crew will be killed.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian18 May 2023 8:51 p.m. PST

I've been surprised at the videos, that quite often crew escape from an AFV that's been hit and is on fire.

Heedless Horseman Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2023 9:09 p.m. PST

I have never BEEN there, Thank God, but have read… and seen photos. We play games… but REAL is a whole LOAD of horror. Respect for those who Did Not Make It.:( Guys WILL try to Live.
A brewing tank…those who could Bale, might survive unscathed. Lot of Hits just caused Fire. But pretty shattered. Dodge MGs. Burning… 20% to 70% burns…probably Not.

An INGRAINED memory, from young, is pic of DAK tank Commander, fried, being HOOKED from tank turret. No WIN there.

Heedless Horseman Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2023 11:10 p.m. PST

You put a model tank on a table. It is NOT a game…It is a Situation… just sayin. BUT, Whatever does someone's piece. So… Just do! :)

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2023 7:44 a.m. PST

We have learned that we must take lessons from previous or even current conflicts. FA properly used has again proved to be deadly. And yes, many AFVs if not under cover, etc. can be easily targeted and engaged.

So to mitigate these threats you have to use combined arms, modern maneuver warfare, etc. E.g. FA, CAS, etc. supporting the maneuver units. Using terrain properly, firing smoke rounds to provide cover, using suppressive/recon by fire. Employing tactics properly determined by terrain & situation.

All that being said, there is really no 100% guarantee. All you can do is mitigate the threat.

As far as medics, med personnel, etc. The reports were that Docs, nurses etc. during both Gulf Wars & A'stan. That were in the Res. E.g. who worked in big city hospitals, etc. Were used to treating GSW, burns, amputations etc. As it was a standard in big cities with high crime rates GSW, etc. were almost a daily occurrence(s). Especially on weekends … the ERs were busy …

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