| Brechtel198 | 14 May 2023 9:05 p.m. PST |
The USMC is part of the USN and AFAIK they all fall under the Pentagon's plan… The Marine Corps is not part of the US Navy. It is a separate service with its own service chief (The Commandant of the Marine Corps) who sits on the joint chiefs of staff with the equivalent rank of four-star general. Both services, being naval services, fall under the Secretary of the Navy. As far as I know, no Marine Corps base was named for a Confederate general. So the point is moot. Marine Corps bases are either camps or air stations. link This may also be helpful: link |
| raylev3 | 14 May 2023 11:31 p.m. PST |
The acronym Marine stands for: My Ass Really Is Navy Equipment :-) |
| Striker | 14 May 2023 11:38 p.m. PST |
I generally don't think all the CVNs should be named after POTUS's. They should at least have navy battles, keep the names from original USN ships, past carriers (Enterprise for example), cities, states. If it has to be a person at least use a USN person in some respect. Presidents are people = some flaw. Once presidents start up it becomes "well what about my guy?" and "if they get that we get this" games. |
| Brechtel198 | 15 May 2023 3:49 a.m. PST |
The term/title Marine is not an acronym… |
 Editor in Chief Bill   | 15 May 2023 4:29 a.m. PST |
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| Brechtel198 | 15 May 2023 4:44 a.m. PST |
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| Heedless Horseman | 15 May 2023 4:56 a.m. PST |
I rather Doubt that there will be another H.M.S Hood… but for a diferent reason. I think there should be… for honour of service. |
| doc mcb | 15 May 2023 6:15 a.m. PST |
If the USMC isn't part of the Navy, why don't they -- a combat branch -- have their own medics? Why depend on Navy Corpsmen? |
| Brechtel198 | 15 May 2023 7:13 a.m. PST |
That's the way the system is set up. The Marine Corps has Navy Chaplains also. The US Navy also buys Marine Corps aircraft. Perhaps a little research on the subject might help you understand. All of the armed forces are 'combat branches' with the possible exception of the unnecessary 'space force.' Did you take a look at the links I posted? The Marine Corps being a separate service is codified in law, the latest being the National Security Act of 1947. After War II the US Army tried to have the Marine Corps abolished, and they obviously failed. Did you actually believe that the Marine Corps was not a separate service? I find that incredible… PDF link link link link |
 Legion 4  | 15 May 2023 9:04 a.m. PST |
Hmmm … everything I knew the USMC was part of the USN … And I'm a grad of Basic Amph Training at Little Creek NAB, Norfolk in '82, IIRC … 
Both services, being naval services, fall under the Secretary of the Navy. That is how that's I understood it. As far as I know, no Marine Corps base was named for a Confederate general. So the point is moot. Marine Corps bases are either camps or air stations. I couldn't remember any USMC base being named after a CSA GEN. After War II the US Army tried to have the Marine Corps abolished, and they obviously failed. That would have been a bad decision, IMO … Albeit the US Army did more Amph Ops in WWII than the USMC. But the USMC only had 6 Divs + a few small separate units. The US Army had close to 100 or more IIRC. So size does matter … All of the armed forces are 'combat branches' Hence being called the "Armed Forces". with the possible exception of the unnecessary 'space force.' Totally disagree with you, but that is not rare. The USSF is doing a number of missions, etc., that the USAF, etc. does not have to do any longer. The USSF does a lot of Classified ops, AFAIK. As a member of the Military Officers' Assoc of America, we had an unclassified briefing on the new branch. It does have a mission. Of course, the USAF was part of the US Army until 1947. Brechtel198 did you serve with the USMC or USN ? |
| doc mcb | 15 May 2023 9:09 a.m. PST |
You left out NAIS. Kevin, I think we are mostly funning you. It is really just semantics. |
| doc mcb | 15 May 2023 10:17 a.m. PST |
I mean of course NCIS. NAIS is the independent school association. |
| Brechtel198 | 15 May 2023 10:50 a.m. PST |
Brechtel198 did you serve with the USMC or USN ? I'm a retired Marine. My Dad was a navy officer and commanded an attack transport in War II. My two brothers served in the US Army and the Marine Corps. Two of us are West Point graduates. My son is thinking of flying for either the Navy or the Marine Corps. |
| Brechtel198 | 15 May 2023 10:51 a.m. PST |
It is really just semantics. No, it isn't. I guess you had to be there. 😁 NCIS is a federal criminal investigation service and works for the Department of the Navy. |
| Brechtel198 | 15 May 2023 12:11 p.m. PST |
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| Trajanus | 15 May 2023 1:07 p.m. PST |
NCIS is a federal criminal investigation service and works for the Department of the Navy And a TV Show! 😄 |
| doc mcb | 15 May 2023 1:40 p.m. PST |
And another of the many ways the Marines are integrated into the Navy. |
| Brechtel198 | 15 May 2023 4:40 p.m. PST |
How so? The Marine Corps is not 'integrated into the Navy.' Again, the Marine Corps is a separate service. The Commandant of the Marine Corps and the Chief of Naval Operations are the respective service chiefs under the Secretary of the Navy. It is a very simple concept. As for NCIS: 'Within the Department of the Navy, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service is the civilian federal law enforcement agency uniquely responsible for investigating felony crime, preventing terrorism and protecting secrets for the Navy and Marine Corps.' |
| Legion 4 | 15 May 2023 6:48 p.m. PST |
I'm a retired Marine. My Dad was a navy officer and commanded an attack transport in War II. My two brothers served in the US Army and the Marine Corps. Two of us are West Point graduates. My son is thinking of flying for either the Navy or the Marine Corps. Good to know ! Thank you and your family for your/their service … Wish your son good luck if he joins up ! FWIW – I believe we need both the US Army & USMC. Plus, the other services as well of course. I worked and trained with the USMC a number of times when I was on Active Duty. |
| Legion 4 | 16 May 2023 8:12 a.m. PST |
*A bit OT but … Brechtel… saw this on Military.com today. About the USSF … You may find it interesting. And you may be right about the USSF ? However, I'm still an advocate for it. link |
| Brechtel198 | 16 May 2023 9:13 a.m. PST |
I'm not impressed with the creation of a branch of the service that was already being done by the Air Force. The Air Force has a short tip of the spear to begin with, the space force doesn't appear to have any spear at all. And their uniforms are ridiculous as is their logo. Star Trek anyone? |
| Legion 4 | 16 May 2023 5:52 p.m. PST |
Well of course I respect your opinion as a fellow Vet. Plus, you have a very good military "resume' ". I can say clearly better than mine. But I still think USSF will be useful. So we can agree to disagree … No harm no foul. Yes, their dress uniform is very "futuristic" and their logo is very Star Trek-ish. However, I am a Star Trek and Sci-fi fan… so … So we will have to see how the USSF does as time goes on … or not … |
| dBerczerk | 17 May 2023 5:26 p.m. PST |
Better to have a United States Space Force and not need it than to need a Space Force and not have it. |
| Legion 4 | 17 May 2023 6:06 p.m. PST |
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| Brechtel198 | 17 May 2023 6:50 p.m. PST |
Better to have a United States Space Force and not need it than to need a Space Force and not have it. It was already in existence. It was called Space Command. There was no need to make Space Command a separate service. It does little but add yet another layer of bureaucracy to the armed forces and it is a small service with an odd uniform. Seems to me it is nothing more than an egocentric move by an egoticstical and self-centered former president. In short, it is both unnecessary and quite stupid. |
| dBerczerk | 18 May 2023 5:41 a.m. PST |
Brechtel198 -- thank you for clarifying the real reason you disparage the U.S. Space Force. |
| Brechtel198 | 18 May 2023 6:29 a.m. PST |
The 'real reason' is that the 'new' organization is not necessary and is redundant. |
| dBerczerk | 18 May 2023 10:06 a.m. PST |
Thank you for your "opinion." |
| Brechtel198 | 18 May 2023 11:43 a.m. PST |
You're very welcome. Perhaps you could make an attempt to justify your support for a separate Space Force that would make it superior to the previous Space Command? |
| dBerczerk | 18 May 2023 12:29 p.m. PST |
Brechtel198 -- I'll leave that up to the People's Liberation Army of the Communist Party of China. |
| Brechtel198 | 18 May 2023 12:54 p.m. PST |
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| dBerczerk | 18 May 2023 6:14 p.m. PST |
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| Brechtel198 | 19 May 2023 6:31 a.m. PST |
It wasn't a compliment. If you've seen the musical '1776' the character playing John Adams used the term sarcastically when another of the delegates said something ridiculous. To help you, here's two definitions of the word 'incredible': 1. impossible to believe. 2. difficult to believe; extraordinary. Hopefully, this will help you in your future endeavors… |
| Legion 4 | 19 May 2023 7:24 a.m. PST |
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| dBerczerk | 19 May 2023 8:06 a.m. PST |
So then, it is safe to say your disdain for the former President of the United States of America is "incredible." And again, thank you for all your help, and interest in my future endeavors. |
| Legion 4 | 19 May 2023 8:58 a.m. PST |
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| Editor in Chief Bill | 19 May 2023 9:31 p.m. PST |
Remember: No snarkiness allowed on the forum.  |
| Legion 4 | 21 May 2023 10:40 a.m. PST |
Sounds like it is a little too late for some ! 😎 |
| Legion 4 | 21 Jul 2023 8:10 a.m. PST |
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| Murvihill | 21 Jul 2023 9:08 a.m. PST |
"Ironically, many of the honored Confederates who weren't even good generals."
I guess the definition of a good general depends on how much you win, odds be damned. |
| Legion 4 | 21 Jul 2023 9:28 a.m. PST |
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| Legion 4 | 12 Aug 2023 8:31 a.m. PST |
From Military.com Will they start digging up the CSA dead next ? As many know I don't support slavery, KKK, etc. at all. It is heinous, horrible, etc., to say the least. However, more erasing of our history, the good, the bad, the ugly and the very ugly is Orwellian, IMO We can't forget our past … link |
| Tortorella | 12 Aug 2023 11:48 a.m. PST |
I don't mind losing the statue, I also don't mind if they leave it. But these men should be left undisturbed, and their presence acknowledged. Common decency. |
| Legion 4 | 12 Aug 2023 1:00 p.m. PST |
Well they are going to take down the statue anyway. Didn't see what they were going to do with it. I suppose many CSA statues have been warehoused or destroyed. Kind of like in 1984 … Where will this "crusade" end ? What will be left of our history ? We need to know the ugly & very ugly too … |
| Legion 4 | 14 Aug 2023 8:48 a.m. PST |
As a sidebar. An American Native group wants the Washington Commanders name to be returned to Redskins. This group has a lot of support from their fellow American Indians. They see the name Redskins as a term of honor. Elite warriors, nothing divisive about it. IMO e.g. like calling Infantrymen "Grunts" … Again, the very vocal woke minority trying to rewrite history, pushing their divisive agenda, etc. They don't get the concepts of warriors and honor. Like many in the military do … I strongly support the American Indians who want the Redskins name back. And it appears so do many of the Indians … |
