"Ukraine fighting back" Topic

Ukraine's Cheap FPV Drones 'More Efficient' Than Prized Artillery

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Armand

Ukraine claims stunning hat trick – three kills of Su-34s

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Why Ukraine's new mine hunters might not join war

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Ukraine should take a page out of Finland's fight with Stalin

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Armand

That last link is pretty interesting. The Russo-Finish War '39-'40 was a good example what a smaller force can do. I.e. the Finns v. Russians. The Ukraine's performance today is similar as it has outperformed the Russians in most engagements. With few gains for heavy losses.

The Finns ended up surrendering a small part of some of its territory. Stopping the Russians from installing a Communist puppet government, etc. The link says maybe the Ukraine should consider a similar situation. I don't know if like that option.

But as the link mentioned Putin will never be able to subjugate the Ukraine. He won't gain much more territory if any. And with their overall heavy loses Russia has taken. They will not be a threat for a long time to come.

There is rumors/unconfirmed reports of two more aircraft shot down. One SU 30 and they be SU34.

I hope this is correct.

It is… and a third one too…

Ukraine's soldiers use cheap tech to hide from Russia's deadly drones

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Armand

Ukranian airforce have sunk a russian och warship in feodosia. Huge det explosion.

Ukraina is doing everything right. Winning everywhere except where it really counts, winning back lost territory. I hope that will change to the better.

Good shoot'n boys !!!!

soledad +1

With hopes of victory fading, Ukraine's war against Russia could get even harder in 2024

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Ukraine's government introduces bill on improving mobilisation and military records

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Ukraine War Maps Show How 2023 Counteroffensive Played Out

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Armand

New f16 pilot gets call up.
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New Tank commander cheered on his way.
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I don't think those one-off incidents are game changers …

Six more Ukrainian pilots now training on F-16s in Denmark, more on their way

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Out of the Trenches

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Ukrainian FPV Drones Destroy Second Confirmed Russian High-Value Target BMPT Fire Support Vehicle

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Ukrainian Soldiers Use FPV Drone Armed with RPG Rocket Warhead to Target Russian T-90M Tank

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Ukraine Unveils Locally-Made Loitering Munition Utilizing Russian Lancet Drone Technology

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Ukrainian soldiers under attack of Russian autonomous kamikaze MT-LBs

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Ukrainian Forces destroy Russian Murom-M and Aistyonok surveillance radar systems

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National Guard of Ukraine receives 27 more M113 APCs refurbished in Belgium by John Cockerill Defense

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Ukraine deploys new Bohdana 2.0 howitzer to compensate for reduced European and US aid

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Ukraine's Special Forces ready to fight Russians with modified Dozor-B APCs

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Armand

"I don't think those one-off incidents are game changers"

So this only happened to these two men…no one else.

OK?

Don't know I'm not there … but I have heard of no more reports of this type of incidents. If it happens 100 times, 1000 times, that may be significant.

But the Ukraine is still fighting. If they are going into the defense. After their offensive ops have not killed off enough Russians. Then the Russian attacks will be attrited … again. We saw how poorly they did in the beginning of the war. And this continues. Now those same quality of troops are going to attack Ukraine's defensive positions. Probably looking closer to WWI than modern warfare. Stacks of Russian bodies like we have seen many times before.

Again … the fat lady ain't sung yet …

"Now those same quality of troops are going to attack Ukraine's defensive positions. Probably looking closer to WWI than modern warfare. Stacks of Russian bodies like we have seen many times before"

Keep telling yourself that if you like. But you also have to tell your self they are coming for Europe too so you need to keep the war going. How are you doing that? Its a double negative. Dosent work

But you also have to tell your self they are coming for Europe too so you need to keep the war going

Really Russia is incapable to go anywhere. US intel said it will take 18+ years to rebuild the losses they took. That is the reality. The Russian military has lost 50% of their assets.

It is foolish to think the US or NATO want to keep the war going. However, the US Admin slow walked sending all the weapons Ukraine needed to push the Russians off their lands. The current admin is risk adverse … their fear of escalation is keeping them from doing anything decisive. That does not mean starting WWIII. But give the Ukraine all they may need while Putin took months to line up on their border. The current US leadership was afraid of what Putin may do. Putin pretty much knew what …

Again, that is ridiculous to think the US wants the war to continue. Now Putin he wants it to continue as believes sooner or later the Ukraine will have to make a brokered peace. And Putin will get to keep what he took of Ukraine's territory. But in the meantime, he will keep pushing his depleting assets into a meat grinder.

So again, Russia does not have the assets to go to war with US/NATO. Even before he invaded Ukraine.

I'll admit … I favor my "intel" analysis … as I was trained and experienced to do as a young man long ago.

Naval Mine Hunters for Ukraine

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Ukraine Develops a Deadlier Neptune Missile

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Armand

"I'll admit … I favor my "intel" analysis … as I was trained and experienced to do as a young man long ago."

So not as accurate in assessment as Soviet state media or unsubstantiated/ discredited internet sources!

Tally Ho!

Yes you are correct! 😎 I am hack compared to them !🤩🤩

Ukraine Now Facing A Soldier Shortage In Its War Against Russia

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@Tango

At the moment, it does look like the Ukrainian military effort is collapsing. Not only manpower shortages but they are even running out of artillery shells.

It looks like their government is collapsing too.

IMHO… I don't see a "collapse" of the Ukrainians… they are doing everything possible to maintain their positions in the face of the Russian counteroffensive that continues to sacrifice thousands of soldiers and hundreds of armored vehicles, mostly without great results.. .
I also do not understand that the government collapses because the Ukrainians know… and they know it very well… what awaits them if they fall into the hands of the Russians… I understand that they are going to fight to the last.
If the defense lines really collapse… I foresee greater concern (and therefore assistance) from NATO…

Saying that…

Ukraine's Drone Boats Are Now Firing Rockets At Russian Ships

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Armand

I think from what I see the Ukraine is doing pretty well. They would have been better off if the US Leadership sent more equipment e.g. MBTs, CE equipment, F-16s, etc. earlier. Instead of slow walking what they needed, etc. As usual a dollar short & a day late.

Russia will continue to throw their troops into the meatgrinder. Waiting for Ukraine to give in. I hope that does not happen. Putin does not need to claim any form of victory. But regardless he will …

'I think from what I see the Ukraine is doing pretty well'. Are you keeping up with the news or it just wishful thinking on your part? YouTube link

The Uke marines in Krynky are freezing, the 100 left there. Bakhmut front is collapsing. Kiev and other parts of what's left of their military industrial complex was just hit with Kinzhal missiles. NATO is complaining about the number of officers who are being killed in these recent strikes. The average age of a Uke soldier is now 43. Reuters: Kyiv says Russia has fired 7,400 missiles so far. Russia's military industrial complex is working in overdrive, and recruitment is not a problem.

The preverbal 'meat grinder' was the failed Uke Summer Offensive' attacking prepared positions just like the Germans did at Kursk. You probably think the Russians are losing more men than the Ukes even when leaked US intelligence stated the loss rate was 7:1, the Ukes the losers.

Ukraine Trains Its Sights on Russian Border Region, Seeking to Stir Up Discontent

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The War in Ukraine Is Not a Stalemate

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Cluster Munitions Have Changed the Course of the Ukraine War-

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Armand

A Paladin X, another putin stooge, "leaked American Intelligence", leaked from a centre in Moscow you will find,
but then it is anti Ukraine and pro putin so it must be true,

Tally Ho!

@Tango

I understand that a lot of people are getting killed and there's a lot of destruction going on but Putin's tactic of just hanging on until the West gets tired has some purchase at the moment. It would be very helpful to get them a large military aid package soon.

"Putin's tactic of just hanging on until the West gets tired has some purchase at the moment. It would be very helpful to …"

Hanging?…. imho Putin would have liked to take Ukraine from the beginning of the invasion… after the terrible defeat he suffered… he does not leave aside his invasion plan not only destroying that poor country as the Nazis did in WW2, kidnapping children, raping women, etc… but that at no time did he stop his military machine in pursuit of his great final objective (the total occupation of Ukraine)… the only thing that keeps him "on hold" is that his troops suffer horrible casualties every day in his permanent attempts at conquest… of course without caring at all about the loss of lives of his compatriots (as other Tsars of Russia did throughout history)…

Armand

Nick +1

Are you keeping up with the news or it just wishful thinking on your part?

I'm not there so I can only say what I hear reported. Of course, reports may vary … But I'm betting the Russians won't be doing much more advancing into Ukraine's territory. Do they even have the assets to do it?

@Tango

Not hanging as in hanging with rope but "Hanging on", like "Holding on"

Putin has done this before, just squatted on the land he wants until the other side gives up.

It's true, he doesn't care about how many men or how much material he burns. But recently, the Russians sat on the defensive and allowed the Ukrainians to lose heavily in assaults. Now their manpower reserves are strained.

Meanwhile, there is this:

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Ah!… now I understand what you said…

And yes… the Ukranian offensive failed … but remember the size of both countries and the resources they had at hand…

Saying that…

Ukraine Launches Drone And Missile Strikes On Russia

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FROZEN IN THE WINTER OF DISCONTENT: UKRAINE GREETS 2024

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@Tango

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That's a bit hard to swallow when the Bear can't sustain offensive operations in Eastern Ukraine, much less west of the Dnieper.

I dont think the bear wants to do much more than hold what it has taken. Ukraine has lost the ability to dislodge the Russian army and Putin doesnt care how much stuff he loses because he knows NATO wont attack him until he makes a move against it. Thus, he can wait until after the US election and then negotiate a settlement; then he can rebuild the Russian army.

That article makes a major error because the money to Ukraine would be a tiny part of the overall defense budget.

There will be a lot more things blown up and a lot more people killed but at this point it looks like the strategic initiative for war aims has shifted to Russia.

If one analyzes the substantial differences between both countries… imho… what Ukraine has done is miraculous… I don't think many other countries in the former Soviet orbit would have even attempted it… which motivates my amazement is that for any fool in the matter, Russia has fought for more than two years with all its power using the surprise of a treacherous attack and with very poor achievements…. suffering thousands of casualties in the process and it seems that no one takes note of this in that country… I never believed that in the 21st century the mothers, sisters, grandmothers, etc. of those poor soldiers sent to the slaughterhouse without a very clear objective… have not mobilized to stop this carnage… as they did during the Invasion of Afghanistan … why not now?

Armand

Ukraine Hits Russian Targets with Locally-Made Vilkha-M Rocket Launcher Surpassing US HIMARS in Range

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Ukrainian Artillery Units are now equipped with 16 Slovak Zuzana 2 155mm Howitzers

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Air Weapons: Ukrainian Strategic Attack UAV

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Ukraine racks up wins against Russia in the Black Sea

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Ukraine's Joint Forces Commander Highlights Importance of Logistics Support Amid Tensions

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­­Ukraine Has a Pathway to Victory

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@Tango

That's a very interesting article. The author should've discussed drones a little more though. I dont know that it is a matter of case closed for Ukraine but it will take something more than just blowing things up to move the Russian army.

I think it is fair to say that Ukraine is fighting valiantly but the Russian game is different. In the Russian tradition, Putin is willing to sacrifice enormous amounts of men and equipment to hold that invaded territory. Also, he seems to be recruiting a lot of new soldiers while Ukraine has manpower shortages. And at the moment, it looks like the manpower shortage is what is hurting Ukraine's chances the most.

Glad you enjoyed it mon ami… and I agree with you… Ukraine in the short time has to move to only defense of the territory that remains in their hands…

They are digging now…

Of course they have shown fantastic and incredible courage against a Super Power (A bloody one)

Armand

I think in this phase of the war, I believe the Ukraine will be very dogged in the defense. Killing a lot of Russians, as I don't see the Russians getting much better on the offensive… Again …

Bradley fighting vehicle destroys Russia's most advanced tank

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Armand

Yes, saw that on another thread here –

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Good shooting boys ! Up the body count !

From the WSJ on the Ukraine War:

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Even though Russia has lost 90% of its prewar army, it is larger than before the War with recruits training constantly. They have more materiel to throw at this conflict while Ukraine is out of artillery shells.

It's not good when the WSJ thinks it is time for Ukraine to make peace.

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90% ?!? That is a lot of bodies and equipment …

Having material and thousand of poor conscrips IS NOT that ensures winning a war… history is full of examples… one of the most recent… Israel vs Egypt and the other Muslim countries that tried to invade it on Ion Kippur…

It is always good that someone supports peace… the issue is what kind of peace is being sought…

Armand

Tango +1

Having material and thousand of poor conscrips IS NOT that ensures winning a war… history is full of examples… one of the most recent… Israel vs Egypt and the other Muslim countries that tried to invade it on Ion Kippur…

It should be pointed out that Israel was actually losing that war until the US intervened on their behalf.

What ever a soldier's induction status, the Russian army looks like they are training everyone. A lot of the conscripts are kept out of the hottest combats for as long as possible. I cant speak to motivation across the board but the bodies are there and the Russian army is increasing in size.

It doesn't have to mean that quantities of men and materiel will necessarily win a conflict but we've been maintaining that Russian losses in these two categories have been unsustainable. However, it seems like those Russian losses actually are sustainable.

It is always good that someone supports peace… the issue is what kind of peace is being sought…

Armand

I dont know that either side wants peace now but certainly Putin is suddenly in no rush to negotiate.

"…It should be pointed out that Israel was actually losing that war until the US intervened on their behalf…"

Like Ukraine… and they also have the support of NATO and England… so…

The only way Putin negotiate is …

a) Because he loose the vote election (impossible with that "democratic" system)

b) A huge military defeat… (impossible because of the size of the Ukranian Army)

c) People (relatives of the dead) began to push for peace as they did in the Afghan invation…It is hard but not impossible

d) Make the mistake of looking out a window …

Armand

Tango +1

The heavy loses taken by the Russian military does not demonstrate they are well-trained, well lead, very motivated, etc. Whoever is in charge of their training should be relieved.

Having been evaluated and evaluating other Army units. Makes it clear the Russians are not a good or professional Army. High losses for few gains. Based on all the Russian operations from Day 1 if this was an evaluated FTX. They would get a NO GO. And have to be retrained. Most Vets would give them the rating – NO GO …

@Tango

I agree that the future is always in question but at the moment it looks like Russia is winning by sheer weight of numbers. Ukraine just doesn't have the people. And even if they manage to find them, where are they going to train them? There is nowhere the Russians cant bombard.

And the losses by either army arent indicative of poor training, there is simply no way to effect a flanking maneuver and they are forced to push up the middle in a WWI style incurring enormous casualties.

I would greatly appreciate your concept about "winning" this War…

Have the decision to endure very serious casualties to "gain" a few meters of ground?

Lose 80% of the trained Regular Army and replace it with a militia of dubious quality and motivation?

To turn against the majority of the great Western countries and show them in advance what awaits them if they ever thought about the term "peace" with the Russians?

Raffle the future of a young and thriving generation by sending it to the meat grinder?

Openly show that no respect is owed to a country with so much corruption and that they are guided to death by the whim of one of their leaders?

Achieve the unthinkable for centuries… that countries like Finland and Sweden… neutral and trustworthy… rush to form ranks in the NATO Armies? …even close its borders with Russia?

Having to depend on despicable Allies like North Korea or Iran for the supply of weapons, showing that the industry of the "Second World Power" could not supply its own armed forces in a "Special Military Operation" against a much smaller country that was artfully invaded. ?

Or maybe much better… they are winning because from day one they bomb civilians, kill them, rape them and kidnap their children and then brainwash them in the "Reception Centers"?

I could keep asking but I'm getting bored of it myself.

I understand from your profile that you are American… and I accept that you do not have a certain military orientation… but how are you going to ask where the Ukrainians are going to train if the Russians Bomb them… the answer is in any NATO country where they've been doing this for a while…

And insist on the issue of the number of inhabitants… does Vietnam mean anything to you?

No matter how it ends… Russia has already lost this war.

Armand
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