"Units for Ukrainian Offensives" Topic

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"This is a visual overview of the publicly known Ukrainian spring offensive units."

Thomas C. Theiner, Apr 25, 2023.

A few comments to questions raised about the graphic of the publicly known Ukrainian Spring Offensive brigades, Thomas C. Theiner, Apr 25, 2023.

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Interesting, thanks for that.

What I see from that also is a Ukrainian logistics officer curled up in the corner with thumb in mouth rocking slowly…what a mix of kit there is.

What I see from that also is a Ukrainian logistics officer curled up in the corner with thumb in mouth rocking slowly…what a mix of kit there is.

And that is just the main tanks, infantry transport vehicles and artillery pieces. There may be more variety further down, e.g. with infantry battalion support weapons.

[But also great potential for future wargamers, who may one day be looking forwards to re-enacting actual or what-if actions featuring curious mixtures of late 20th and early 21st century vehicles on the tabletop.]

What I see from that also is a Ukrainian logistics officer curled up in the corner with thumb in mouth rocking slowly…what a mix of kit there is.

Generally speaking all Log Officers have a "challenging" job. He[or she] and his staff are always busy. However, I'd think you'd have to have a Log Tm for each of the various nations' equipment.

However, from a tactical POV, looks all like a number of well-organized Combined Arms TMs/TFs/BGs, etc.

Yeah, that mix of AFVs is a mess. It's like an ADD wargamer scraped through a GHQ bin at Wally's Basement and picked up whatever caught his eye or was discounted. In other words, what an eclectic mess.

But then again, beggars can't be choosers.

What surprises me is that the US M1A1 are not there and (obviously) not paired with the Bradleys.

I thought it would be a no brainer to have those together as lessons from US army could be implemented straight. There must be great knowledge how those two fight together.

My understanding the is the M1A1 has a veeerrry long lead time being a logistical monster. IIRC something like a year or more, could be seen as being timed to roll in once Ukraine has burnt through all its European hand-me downs and their spares stockpiles. So typically American, roll in at the end and take all the credit : )

To be honest I'm not sure the kit list is that bad if you consider say later WWII German units – particularly those lower tier divisions saddled with lots captured kit.

So typically American, roll in at the end and take all the credit : )

Just like the Cav in all the movies. 🎬🎥

Those M1A1s could have been there within 2-3 months with spare parts & ammo, etc. With Crew & Maint. Tms and Log personnel trained up in Germany or Poland in 4-6 weeks. E.g.: Our Hvy Mech Bde at Benning, GA sent our M1IPs, M60A1s, M113s, M901s, etc. to REFORGER '88 in [West]Germany.

Again, The US could have had M1A1s there months ago. I'm also annoyed that we are only sent 31. The USMC turned all their 200 M1s recently. 1/2 of those alone could be more than enough to support the Ukraine. Along with all the NATO equipment.

As I said with my past training & experience, I have a fairly good working knowledge to maintain & deploy assets. At Bn and Bde level. And I was not the only one. There are a number of Bn and Bde Log & Maint. Officers and NCOs. It's not as hard as some are making it out to be. I'm sure things are even better now. With everything being computerized, etc., and smart young officers, NCOs & Troops.

I posted this on another thread here. It makes sense to me. And I agree …

To paraphrase from an article in Military.com. It is becoming obvious that the US is dolling out aid to give the Ukrainians just enough support to survive, but not enough to decisively eject Russian forces from Ukraine's land. The US leadership is afraid of what the Russians and Chinese might do. At least it appears that way. It is known/said real military superpowers do not operate this way. The US should be making the Russians and Chinese afraid of what the US might do.

I'm getting a little frustrated with the USA's leadership ignoring GEN Grant. And his aggressiveness and total war concept. Get in, do the job, end the war. I know Grant was from a different era, etc. But we still study him and many others from the past. E.g. Patton & Rommel, etc.

But Vietnam 13 years, GWII- we still have assets there, A'stan 20 years … Where's next ?

After posting this, I believe, I didn't make it clear. The US/NATO, etc. Do Not/Should Not send troops to the Ukraine. WWIII is not an option. They are doing a pretty good job at fighting the Russians. USA/NATO just needs to keep sending equipment and train their troops out of country.

But I'm afraid as I paraphrased above, the US is doweling out aid to give the Ukrainians just enough support to survive, but not enough to decisively eject Russian forces from Ukraine's land. Not how Grant, Patton, Rommel, etc., etc., would fight a war.

Is that the reason for the USA's "lack" of timely lethal support in larger numbers? Did the US forget how to win a war?

IMO and others the US leadership is afraid of what the Russians and Chinese might do. So, they are not sending all that Ukraine needs. To add to the NATO weapons, etc.

Again, the US should be making the Russians and Chinese afraid of what the US might do.

Your enemies should fear and respect you … That helps deter conflicts.

Unfortunately as demonstrated here on these pages not everyone thinks that stopping the Russian is a a good idea.

Opinions vary, but I think along with many others, as I have posted before. Stopping Putin's War of Imperialism. An attack on a border nation for no reason other than his dream of rebuilding the former Russia Imperial Empire. Is an important mission for the US/NATO to support the Ukraine. By again, supplying them with what they need to push Putin off their territory.

By letting Putin hold any of the Ukraine will only award bad behavior. Plus, he is a war criminal, sadly most likely he will never be brought to justice.