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rustymusket21 Apr 2023 3:48 p.m. PST

I pre-ordered Warlord Games Epic Pike & Shotte starter set. As I start dreaming and planning I wondered what color Saxony had as a uniform color, if at all. I am familiar with the fact that uniforms and uniformity had not yet become the norm for armies of the 17th century. I am hoping there might be a general idea or possibility. Any help will be appreciated.

Prince Alberts Revenge21 Apr 2023 5:35 p.m. PST

According to the "uniform" guide that used to be a free download on the Vexilia store website:

They dressed as Protestants and fought tactically as Imperialists. There is an abundance of
information in The Armies of Ducal Saxony in the Thirty Years War by Belarus (Trans.
Condrey). As this is a rare book, the following is a summary along with other sources.
The Saxons used buff more than most armies, for both pants and coats. They were also fond
of striped shirts, blue and yellow being most common. Hats were grey, black, and unusually,
sometimes white. Officers wore black jackets or doublets and black pants. Any sleeves showing
were yellow striped. A grey hat and coat completed their garb. Horse furniture would be
yellow, red, yellow and black striped or green with gold trim for the generals and their
bodyguards. The Saxons used yellow sashes and trim if not noted for a particular battle.
Pre 1623 and most Protestant militia
All foot wore grey hats, short grey coats with red collars and cuffs, and grey or buff pants.
Pikemen's armour was blackened and the pike wore white collars. Pikemen usually wore
buff pant and buff coats under their armour.
The Dresden Militia guards wore blue and yellow and were an exception to the general rule.
The Saxon Cavalry of this period was formed from the feudal levy into two regiments. The
3/4 armour was regulation issue and blackened. Schlieber's Regiment wore red coats and
Goldstein's Regiment wore yellow coats. The pant colour varied by squadron and grey,
black, blue, and buff is mentioned.
This army is basically Saxon militia and could be used as such throughout the war. The
colour combinations are typical for Protestant militias.
Post 1623
Artillerists, pioneers, and dragoons attached to artillery wore blue coats with yellow trim.
Pants could be blue or yellow.
Saxon dragoons not attached wore blue coats with gold trim.
The cavalry wore black, white, red, and brown coats with gold trim under their armour with
the squadron pants as before. Some cavalry also wore red, black, and brown coats with
silver trim. Additionally, yellow coats with black trim and white coats with red trim were
worn.
Saxon foot combinations included red coats with yellow trim, red and white, yellow and
black, green and white, and blue with red.

From: link

Camcleod21 Apr 2023 7:51 p.m. PST

Don't know how accurate they are but I bought a set of plates on the Saxon TYW army from Historischer Bilderdienst.
They show Regt v Schlieben with brown hats, red coats, grey breaches, red stockings – red/white flags.
Regt v Goldstein w/ brown hats, yellow coats plus buff-coats,black breaches, yellow stockings – yellow/black flags. Regt. Loser in green coat and breaches w/ white trim.
Regt. Schaumburg in red coat and breaches w/ white trim.
Others in red or yellow or grey coats or buff-coats, buff colored breaches, red or various colored stockings

Augustus22 Apr 2023 12:10 p.m. PST

After a march in the rain, ruddy brown probably replaced red.

rustymusket23 Apr 2023 1:58 p.m. PST

Thank you very much for the references! I did not think I would get so much information.

thestoats04 Oct 2023 7:37 a.m. PST

Prince Alberts Revenge,
That snippet is from Bill Boyle's article "Uniforms of the Thirty Years War," and suffers from a lot of issues. While I don't know specifically about this section focusing on Saxony, other parts of the article make erroneous claims without citations, apply uniform colors from later periods, make broad rules where there shouldn't be any, and even describe the uniforms of states that didn't exist during the Thirty Years War. It seems like he has made similar mistakes for this section too, as to my knowledge the Saxon cavalry, having to provide their own equipment and apparel, were not issued uniforms.

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