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hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2023 10:54 p.m. PST

Hello everyone,

I have the PB 59 – PB 61 – PB 185 – PB 191 and PB 218 references of the old PB range but I cannot find their designation on the internet, thank you for your help.

Paskal

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP15 Apr 2023 4:35 p.m. PST

PB59 Successor Phalangite -(Pike Upright)(At Ease)
PB61 Greek Mercenary Hoplite – Advancing- Pilos Helmet

PB185 , PB191, PB218 – these numbers are too high! The PB range ran to PB92 (foot) and PBC 89 for mounted. But there were not 89 mounted. PBC89 is a Macedonian, and the numbering was in line with the foot figures where PB88 was also a Macedonian.

i.e.

PB87 Greek Mercenary (foot)
PB88 Macedonian (foot)
PBC89 Macecdonian (cavalryman)
PB90 Indian (foot)

So either check the numbers again, or the last three aren't Minifigs!

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2023 1:10 a.m. PST

Thank you, but on my list "Infantry of the PB range" the numbering goes up to PB 224 "Sassanid Howdah spearman", but there are gaps in this list and precisely those that I asked you are not there …

Otherwise they are indeed 25mm old minifigs figures and their references are indicated (well engraved) on the base of the figurines and clearly visible.

Dagwood16 Apr 2023 2:06 a.m. PST

Minifigs had the habit of redoing ranges and using the same numbers for different figures. They also used different numbers for the same figure, e.g., some PB figures later became IR series.

Photos would help, Paskal, or even descriptions.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2023 4:21 a.m. PST

I was going by the 1977 (?) first "photo-catalogue".

Dagwood16 Apr 2023 5:51 a.m. PST

I suggest you look at the "IR" range for similar looking figures. That will give you some idea. I suspect that the higher number "PB"s were redesignated "IR"s.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2023 6:02 a.m. PST

PB191 is indeed IR91 a 5th/6th century Saxon leader easy to recognize thanks to his helmet.

But what are reference A1 – A2 – A3- A4 – A5 and A6 horses?

Yesterday I was able to recognize all the PB riders except three which I miss thanks to the WRG book of the 1972 edition.

I also have the 5 gladiators including 1 mounted + 1 bestiary and a leaping lion but they are not in the catalog???

I have a few Romans from the "AR" range, all the Vikings references from the "V" range and a lot of riders and pedestrians from the "NS" range (range whose list of references does not have in the catalog that I have ) including the King Harold reference NSX1 with an ax in his left hand without shield which must be normal given the good condition of the right hand of this figurine and the fact that normally the shield is in the left hand …

Ihave also the references of the range "100 Years war – Poitiers period 1350 to 1415 Infantry.

In this regard, I would like to know if the references HYCC, HYPC and HYAC correspond to the references currently on sale?

I have the figurines of musketeers of the Hungarian infantry of the Austro-Hungarian army during the 7 years war, they are in "tricorne" hats unlike those currently sold which are in "Kaskets",which only appeared in 1760 !

Otherwise I am looking for the "Jacobite rising", "Indian Wars", "French Revolution and Egyptian Campaign" and "Crimean War" ranges, all that could be offered to me on the old ranges, any help is welcome…

PS :For photos not count on it, because my old computer does not accept photos from my phone…

Thank you,

Paskal

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2023 8:21 a.m. PST

I have also two 25mm MiniFig figurines whose reference is IR 139 but which looks like a sibling to drawing N°17 of the "Phil Barker, The Armies and Enemies of Imperial Rome 150 BC to 600 AD, Fourth Edition, Wargames Research Group, 1981"…

It may be the IR 39 (which would have been an IR139 in the past ?) which is not currently on sale?

In any case the references PB 39 and PB 139 have nothing to do with it.

When the reference IR13, it's not that either.

But be careful because some photos on the Caliver books site do not correspond to the correct reference.

link

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2023 11:22 a.m. PST

A1-A6 are Ancients Horses of varying equipment, I'll look them up when I am at home!

Gladiators are a bit tricky because, IIRC, there were two versions of the figures – one from the early 1970s and an improved set around 1976.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2023 2:27 p.m. PST

Gladiators

G1 Thracian
G2 Velite
G3 Myrmillion or Secutor
G4 Retiarius
G5 Samnite
G6 Vestiarius
G7 Lion
G8 Mounted Gladiator
G9 Tiger
G10 Leopard

A1 – A6 – must have been an earlier numbering system as I have Ancient horses as A26-A38 (with 7 horses also having alternate poses, like A36A)

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2023 11:04 p.m. PST

Yes for the gladiators, I was really tired yesterday, I hadn't noticed their reference numbers engraved on their baseplates, these are the same references as for those currently on sale but not at all the same figurines. They are very different.

For horses from A7 mine are all designated as imperial horses because they have for this period, the A1 to A6 would be for the Macedonia & Punic Wars period, for the other figures I told you about yesterday and for the horses I will try to know them more precisely later…

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2023 1:32 a.m. PST

On the other hand I have the list of references of ancient personalities on foot, but not those on horseback?

Dagwood17 Apr 2023 2:36 a.m. PST

I have some of the A1 to A6 horses, A3 might be Indian, A5 is Spanish, A4, A6 "other nations".
I daresay I could send you some photos, but you've already got the figures, so that would be pointless !!

See AMPW first edition, by Phil Barker

Dagwood17 Apr 2023 9:41 a.m. PST

PS. My A1-A6 horses do not have saddles. Originally the riders had saddles or blankets cast on them, but were redone without them. Unfortunately the horses were not redone at the same time, so the horse furniture had to be added by the purchaser ! That would have been in 1976 or thereabouts.

I wonder whether they used higher numbers when they eventually added the saddles ?

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2023 10:02 a.m. PST

Thank you yes it is true and for the 25mm miniatures, we have the old miniatures with the weapons and shields were sculpted with the miniatures, the intermediates whose only weapons were sculpted with the miniatures but whose shields are separate and the news with the armament and the shields sculpted separately …

Without forgetting the series "S" whose weapons and shields were also sculpted with the figurines.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP18 Apr 2023 11:38 p.m. PST

Oh I forgot, I have a MiniFig 25mm figurine whose reference is SS10, what is this range? Thank you for your help.

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