"Latest versions of DBA - DBM and DBR ?" Topic

Hello everyone,

I would like to know what are the latest versions of DBA – DBM and DBR because I'm a little lost.

Thanks,

Paskal

Triumph

Washington Grant company

Latest DBA AFAIK is 3.0
DBM was replaced by DBMM which I think is up to DBMM 2.1?
DBR either stopped at 2.0 or maybe 2.1.

Chris

WRG says DBA 3.0, DBMM 2.1 and DBR 2.0.

link

You can download the latest version of DBM 3.2. There are ammendment sheets up to 3.4 from memory.

This video covers ancients rules, with a focus on WRG rules;
youtu.be/hVwGwlWXE9U

OK thanks.

As you know, in DBA, DBM and DBMM, troop types are classified by how they fight rather than by their equipment as in the older rules.

I thought it's funny because that's exactly how the gladiators of ancient Rome were characterized, by their ways of fighting…

They called it "armaturae," (the panoplía or panoply).

From this concept I immediately thought of DBA, DBM and DBMM…

Well the first problem is that historically gladiators fought 1 against 1 or 5 gladiators of the same type against 5 others of another type…

So we should base them individually?

No, this will completely distort the DBA, DBM and DBMM systems.

So we will not take into account this historical characteristic, on the other hand in DBM and DBMM, gladiators are always counted as irregular, it is already a first piece of information.

But how to count their element bases?

After a serious reading of the description of the different types of element bases in DBMM I propose for example for 15-25mm figures that:

The gladiators of the velites'armaturae' are Psiloi (S) @ 3 points, (two miniatures per element base).

The gladiators of the hoplomaques 'armaturae' are Spears (O) @ 4 points, (four figures per element base).

The gladiators of the equites 'armaturae' are Light Horse (O) @ 4 points, (two figures per element base).

The gladiators of the Gallic 'armaturae' are Warband (F) @ 3 points, (three figures per element base).

The gladiators of the essedaries 'armaturae' are Cavalry (O) @ 6 points, (One chariot and one or two crew miniatures per element base).

The gladiators of the sagittarii 'armaturae' are Psiloi (O) @ 2 points, (two miniatures per element base).

The gladiators of the retiary 'armaturae' are Psiloi (i) @ 1 point, (two miniatures per element base).

The Gladiators are Samnite 'armaturae' are Blades (S) @ 7points, (four figures per element base).

The gladiators of the mirmilion'armaturae' are Warband (S) @ 5 points, (four miniatures per element base).

Gladiators of the Thracian 'armaturae' are Auxilia (S) @ 4 points, (three or four figures per element base).

The gladiators of the secutors' armature' are Blades (F) @ 5 points, (three or four miniatures per element base).

Ect…Ect…

Just for fun I let you decide what types of element bases will be the gladiators of the "armaturae" that I have not indicated.

A 'familia gladiatoria' will only be made up of elements of the same type and will fight an opposing 'familia gladiatoria' of an equal FGP ('familia gladiatoria points').

It is absolutely necessary that all the elements of a 'familia gladiatoria' are identical otherwise it is no longer a gladiatorial combat but an ordinary military battle…

TMP link

DBMM is probably not the best system to recreate gladiatorial fights, as it is really on an element base.

A base of Samnite with Blades(S) at 7 would be countered by two bases of Velites as Psiloi (S), for the similar number of soldiers on the field.
Not sure wether ANY former Gladiator should be classed as I, though. That is really a nasty burden to live with (or rather die).

DBMM actually works quite well for large battles, and no other system simulates the decay of cohesion and control as well as DBMM (just imho, of course). But you need army engagements to take advantage of this rules.

As gladiators used in armies go, the slave revolts (2/45) are the armies with gladiators within, and offers them as Cav when mounted and Warbands when on foot. No real unit training here, though they were good fighters, so S or O mainly. Any other differentiation is lost in scaling.

I have a web site dedicated to DBM at jglwargames.com The changes since 3.2, voted on by mainly UK players, are there as "House Rules", though DBM 3.3 was approved by Richard Bodley Scott, one of the original DBM authors.

There are currently about 40 regular DBM competition players in the UK – a doubles competition with 20+ players is set for this weekend.

I'm talking about official things by the WRG and Phil Barker, the latest version is 3.2? Not what will come next…

A base of Samnite with Blades (S)will not be countered by two bases of Velites like Psiloi (S), because in the arena the Velites did not face the Samnites…

What are the latest official editions for the D.B.M.ARMY LISTS?

BOOK1: 2ND EDITION, JULY 2000
BOOK2: 2ND EDITION, NOV 1998
BOOK3: 2ND EDITION, AUG 1999
BOOK4: 2ND EDITION, MARCH 1999

Yes, those are the latest DBM army list books. The more recent lists published for DBMM can also be used for DBM; the first editions of these include notes by Phil Barker on adapting the lists for DBMM.

Richard Bodley Scott approved DBM 3.3, which made it "official"; Phil Barker raised no objection. Given the time lapse and the authors' ages and states of health, they were not involved in DBM 3.4, which includes very minor revisions.

Thanks and DBM 3.3 and DBM 3.4 are commercially available as books?

Sorry, no (for copyright reasons). 3.2 is a download from the WRG website, and subsequent changes are on my web site.

Thank you everything is in my possession now.