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Tango0131 Mar 2023 8:46 p.m. PST

"What really happens to our bodies when we age—and could we find a way to slow it down?

What if our body could stay in its prime forever? What if we could be biologically immortal like a hydra—a tiny freshwater creature that can continuously renew its cells? Or what if we could turn back the clock like some jellyfish that never die but revert to an earlier form and go through life all over again?

But most cells in our body aren't built to last a lifetime: they're damaged all the time by everything from ultraviolet rays to poor nutrition. When this happens, cells make copies of their chromosomes, which contain our DNA, and divide into healthy new cells…"


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Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP01 Apr 2023 11:14 a.m. PST

I want my current brain, with all of my experience, memories, and skills, in my 25-year-old body. Now that would be science.

Zephyr101 Apr 2023 2:21 p.m. PST

"Can We Stop Aging?"

Too late for me (but I'm good with that… ;-)

Stryderg01 Apr 2023 2:22 p.m. PST

I think you stop aging when you assume room temperature. Granted, it's probably not the best solution, but its the best we've got.

Tango0101 Apr 2023 2:57 p.m. PST

(smile)

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JMcCarroll01 Apr 2023 5:47 p.m. PST

Already to many people in the world. Wars would need to often just so to have enough food.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP01 Apr 2023 6:17 p.m. PST

"Already to many people in the world"

Not really. Falling birth rates are a huge & growing problem.

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China, for example is in trouble.As is most of the Western world.

I'd say immortality is imperative if I didn't believe AI will take over in the future.

Tango0102 Apr 2023 4:01 p.m. PST

Glup!


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Stryderg02 Apr 2023 5:40 p.m. PST

One of the 'global problems' that was brought up in one of my college classes (mid-80's) was that the population was expected to hit 11billion. I think we're around 7 now and never got over 10 since then. Experts seem to be really good at not predicting the future.

Wolfhag03 Apr 2023 4:23 a.m. PST

I like the "experts" prediction of gloom and doom as I rest assured it will not happen.

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Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP07 Apr 2023 11:30 p.m. PST

Then we'd be living in the ZARDOZ world!!

Bad behavior would be punished by being aged… bored sybarites would eventually beg for the release of death… enter Sean Connery in a red diaper to save the day.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Apr 2023 9:53 a.m. PST

Falling birth rates are a huge & growing problem.

… for the rich.

Fertility rate is important for some things, but not total world population, i.e., "too many people".


My Country Has (F) Fertility Rate (%) How many more I must feed next year
1000 2.1 21
2000 1.8 36

WRT total population projections, the two largest countries have started levelling out in population, which has a large effect.

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But world population is still growing. We'll still hit 11B, barring a major change, just later than they thought in the decade where they thought we would have flying cars 20 years ago. (And we actually do have them, we just don't allow their use. It's not a tech problem, it's a "people already suck driving in two dimensions problem".)

WRT immortality, one of the major causes of aging is thought to be improperly recombined DNA. Not just damaging cells through various means that are avoidable to certain degrees, but having the replacement cells either not happen (fail to reproduce) or reproduce in the diseased/damaged state. Theoretically, we have the technology to fix this. Practically, nobody is rich enough to have this done for themselves. Increasing the availability of these technologies works toward immortality, but the thesis of this part was the cellular health problem is not the only cause, so fixing it doesn't fix every cause of aging.

Second, there is only a finite total of matter-energy in the universe. In order to keep a human body in the complex form we are talking about (above the heat-death of the universe), we have to expend energy, thus moving things more toward the total heat-death state. Basically, against infinite time, with finite energy available, we would run out of gas.

That second one is a way far-off limit beyond the idea of pushing human age from around 80-90 to 800-900. To bring that idea closer to home, the human brain is also finite. There is only a certain amount of memories/process/identity that it can hold. We already lose some things and gain new ones. And there are second- and higher-order historyless state effects that can maintain continuity (for example, we can have no memories of an early childhood event that affected us, but because it did, we changed our behaviour, so our new brain patterns are influenced by the changed behaviour, but not the actual event), but even that has a limit. We can, of course, futz with the size of our brain (theoretically), but you still just end up with a larger finite limit. So WRT infinite time, even if we don't physically die, our identity "fades out" and we become someone else.

Slow it down? Sure. Stop it? Nope.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Apr 2023 10:12 a.m. PST

WRT this …

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There are tons of different dystopias we could fall into. And we could even actually (theoretically) make the world a better place. The key challenge is the difference between the rate of introducing advancements (whatever those are) into societies against the total birth rate. The worse that is, the better odds of more dystopia and less eutopia.

The perennial solution is the fictional "stick it to the rich guy" to fix unequal access to "advantages". If Warren Buffet liquidated every asset he has (taking away all the funded jobs and charities along with it), he could give about $250 USD-$200 to every person the UN says in poor in Africa. Not sure who is up next in nine months, but the third will be in a month or two later.

Personally, I prefer this dystopia…

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