Escapee | 28 Mar 2023 9:26 a.m. PST |
Could be someone who started out in the military or a civilian. Who was the best wartime/military leader? |
Glengarry5 | 28 Mar 2023 9:36 a.m. PST |
James Madison. Well, he was the best for Canada. |
Grattan54 | 28 Mar 2023 10:12 a.m. PST |
Normally I would say Roosevelt. But today I would say Lincoln. He kept this nation together. |
Escapee | 28 Mar 2023 10:27 a.m. PST |
I am a great admirer of Lincoln, but Roosevelt found great commanders at a time when the whole war was at war. He rallied the whole country. |
Lascaris | 28 Mar 2023 11:13 a.m. PST |
I'd also vote for Roosevelt. Both Nimitz and Eisenhower were not obvious choices and they both were outstanding in their jobs. Also making the choice to keep Marshall by his side, rather than letting him have the field command he wanted, was a tough but correct decision. |
Fitzovich | 28 Mar 2023 11:33 a.m. PST |
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Old Contemptible | 28 Mar 2023 12:52 p.m. PST |
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Mister Tibbles | 28 Mar 2023 12:56 p.m. PST |
I've always thought Washington for many reasons, but isn't the Commander-in-Chief concept fairly new in our history? |
Deucey | 28 Mar 2023 1:13 p.m. PST |
Lincoln, FDR, Polk, Washington (in that order). If I'm only considering Washington WHILE he was president. And before someone else says it: Bill Pullman (tongue firmly planted in cheek).
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Editor in Chief Bill | 28 Mar 2023 2:00 p.m. PST |
Normally I would say Roosevelt. Which Roosevelt? |
rustymusket | 28 Mar 2023 2:06 p.m. PST |
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Saber6 | 28 Mar 2023 3:20 p.m. PST |
Editor Bill: Yes |
McKinstry | 28 Mar 2023 3:23 p.m. PST |
FDR and Lincoln. Different wars, great leaders. |
Frederick | 28 Mar 2023 3:50 p.m. PST |
For me Lincoln first, then FDR FDR did a great job but had the advantage of fighting a war mostly on someone else's landscape |
torokchar | 28 Mar 2023 6:10 p.m. PST |
FDR is my vote – allowed his commanders in the field to command! A better and more interesting question would be the worst 45 men have served as president and probably at most 5 have been good commander-in-chief. who was the worst………….. |
smithsco | 28 Mar 2023 6:22 p.m. PST |
FDR and Lincoln. As to the earlier post about commander in chief being fairly new, the answer is no. That is a role given to the President in Article II of the Constitution. Washington actively led troops in the field in the role to put down the Whiskey Rebellion in western Pennsylvania. From that time forward no President has led troops in the field but has relied on generals and been the civilian control of the military. |
redmist1122 | 28 Mar 2023 7:28 p.m. PST |
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Escapee | 28 Mar 2023 8:49 p.m. PST |
Almost a new topic – what are the qualities of a high functioning CinC? Good judge of abilities in others and able to delegate effectively Strategic assessment abilities Understands production and logistics Good at PR and morale Can withstand continuous stress over time I am sure there are others. |
StoneMtnMinis | 29 Mar 2023 6:20 a.m. PST |
Lincoln and then F. Roosevelt in shooting wars. Reagan in the Cold War, non-shooting. |
HansPeterB | 29 Mar 2023 9:43 a.m. PST |
I might have said FDR too, but having just finished a book about he ACW -- Lincoln then FDR. |
Grattan54 | 29 Mar 2023 10:13 a.m. PST |
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optional field | 29 Mar 2023 11:13 a.m. PST |
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Shagnasty | 29 Mar 2023 4:30 p.m. PST |
I would have to agree with FDR. |
Parzival | 30 Mar 2023 8:13 a.m. PST |
Washington; I consider him as counting simply by having won the nation's freedom in the first place. Lincoln, for recognizing competence when it finally appeared. (Took a while, though.) Reagan (I very much count the Cold War as a war.) FDR (though in all other respects he was not as good as his rep.) |
Escapee | 31 Mar 2023 8:48 p.m. PST |
Agree about the Cold War as a war. Reagan's military judgement I am not so sure about. Dealing weapons to Iran, and the Marine deployment to Beirut, which was a leadership disaster, and a boon to terrorism, cost him points. While the Soviets perhaps hastened their own downfall with their long war in Afghanistan. But Reagan kept the pressure up and did not waver, qualities of a good commander. |
Parzival | 31 Mar 2023 9:52 p.m. PST |
Even the greatest commanders make mistakes. The difference is how a commander responds to those mistakes. Does he correct the error and alter his policy? Or does he keep doing the same stupid thing while expecting different results? It's also hard for a civilian commander to know exactly what the conditions of his forces are or the quality of their military leadership until the shooting starts. You might have a McClellan, who looks good and makes his troops look good, but when battle comes is ineffective or even inept. As others have observed, the path to general is often based on politics, not military ability. (Or as I put it, there are two kinds of officers— butt-kickers and butt-kissers. Butt-kickers win wars; butt-kissers get promoted.) And it's not always that easy to know which you've got in place until all Hell breaks loose. |
Cattle Dog | 03 Apr 2023 3:56 a.m. PST |
Any President who does not take you to war. regards Allan |
robert piepenbrink | 13 Apr 2023 10:25 a.m. PST |
FDR and Lincoln. Note that neither one gets a 100% score. Lincoln spent a lot of time in 1861 learning things he might have studied before he applied for the job, and FDR spent eight years in office not doing much to prepare for an increasingly likely conflict. But they learned, picked and supported good people and did much to unite the nation. Mister Tibbles, read the US Constitution. Of all the hats these guys wear in a year, CinC in one of the very few they're actually supposed to, and always were. |