"Continuity of DBM / DBR for the XVIII th century ?" Topic
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hi EEE ya  | 28 Mar 2023 3:57 a.m. PST |
Hello everyone, Is there a specific rule by Phil Barker for the XVIII th century which would be a continuity of DBM/DBR ? That is to say a rule with the same system? Thank you, Pascal |
| RittervonBek | 28 Mar 2023 4:36 a.m. PST |
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| John the Red | 28 Mar 2023 4:57 a.m. PST |
Phil Barker drafted a set of rules called Horse, Foot and Guns covering the musket to rifle period. Were various versions on line for play testing but not sure where this is at now? Also DBN is a variant focussing on Napoleonic wars, which can be purchased via dbnwargaming.co.uk and I believe they have versions for the ACW and colonial but not played these. DBN is good!
cheers
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| MajorB | 28 Mar 2023 5:53 a.m. PST |
Horse, Foot and Guns here:
link |
| hi EEE ya | 28 Mar 2023 7:50 a.m. PST |
MajorB, I bought it, we'll see… |
| evilgong | 28 Mar 2023 2:55 p.m. PST |
Apparently Phil Barker wrote in draft 3 sub-sets to HFG, being roughly lace wars, naps, 19thc. Set at two stands per battalion. I have never been able to find a copy. |
 Dal Gavan | 28 Mar 2023 6:00 p.m. PST |
There are versions of "DBSYW" out there, Pascal. The version I've played here worked reasonably well, though it's still being polished up. You can find a game report and some photos at link |
| hi EEE ya | 28 Mar 2023 11:06 p.m. PST |
I hope that HFG will please me. |
| Martin Rapier | 29 Mar 2023 12:09 a.m. PST |
Horse, Foot and Guns has been through many iterations over the decades. I find the latest version ludicrously complex (so very much like DBM!) and much preferred the version with divisional stands from the late 90s. The basic concepts are still very sound though, brilliant even. I love the treatment of villages and strong points, and the concept of a 'brilliant' general. |
| Robert Johnson | 29 Mar 2023 1:11 a.m. PST |
I agree with Martin. Barker fiddled around with HF&G so much that it became a complete mess. The first version was clean and playable, later iterations not so much. |
| hi EEE ya | 30 Mar 2023 2:48 a.m. PST |
I'm waiting for Horse, Foot and Guns Version 1.1, have there been others since? What army lists for her? No separate booklets? It's like for DBA? |
| John the Red | 30 Mar 2023 6:36 a.m. PST |
Sample Army list from the play test versions in 2011
1. LOW COUNTRIES AND RHINELAND 1701-1714 (150AP-350AP)
(War of the Spanish Succession)
ANGLO-DUTCH – Aggression: 4
1 x Brilliant CP (Marlborough) @ 30AP, 0-1 x subordinate CP (Overkirk) @ 15AP, 1-2 x Heavy Cavalry (British Horse >1707) @ 5AP or Cuirassiers (British Horse 1707>) @ 6AP, 1-3 x Pistols (Dutch) @ 5AP, 0-4 x Inferior Pistols (Prussian and other German) @ 3AP, 0-2 x Heavy Cavalry (Danish) @ 5AP, 3-9 x Dragoons @ 4AP, 0-1 x Elite Muskets (British Guards) @ 5AP, 0-1 x Elite Muskets (Dutch Guards) @ 5AP, 0-3 x Elite Bayonets (brigaded Grenadiers) @ 5AP, 6-12 x Muskets (British) @ 3AP, 8-15 x Muskets (Dutch) @ 3AP, 0-2 x Muskets (Danish) @ 3AP, 0-4 x Muskets (Prussian) @ 3AP, 4-16 x Firelocks (other German) @ 2AP, 1 per 7-10 foot x Smoothbore Field Artillery @ 8AP, 0-2 x Smoothbore Heavy Artillery @ 12AP, 0-1 x Pontooneers @ 2AP, 0-1 x Supply Base @ 8AP. IMPERIALIST – Aggression: 3
1 x HQ (Baden) @ 20AP or Brilliant CP (Eugene) @ 30AP, 2-5 x Pistols @ 5AP, 1-2 x Dragoons @ 4AP, 0-1 x Light Horse (Hussars) @ 2AP, 4-28 x Firelocks @ 2AP, 1 x Smoothbore Artillery @ 8 AP, 0-1 x Smoothbore Heavy Artillery @ 12AP, 0-1 x Pontooneers @ 2AP, 0-1 x Supply Base @ 8AP. FRANCO-BAVARIAN – Aggression: 1
1 x Brilliant HQ (Villars or Vendome) @ 40AP or HQ (Tallard, Villeroi or Boufflers) @ 20AP, 0-1 x subordinate CP (Elector of Bavaria with Marsin, or Burgundy) @ 15AP, 0-1 x Elite Pistols (French Maison and Gendarmerie) @ 7AP, 0-1 x Elite Pistols (Bavarian Cuirassiers) @ 7AP, 4-6 x Pistols (French Chevaux-legers) @ 5AP, 1-8 x Dragoons @ 4AP, 0-2 x Light Horse (French Hussars) @ 2AP, 0-3 x Elite Firelocks (French Guards) @ 4AP, 0-1 x Elite Bayonets (French brigaded Grenadiers) @ 5AP, 0-1 x Elite Firelocks (Bavarian Guards) @ 4AP, 0-1 x Elite Bayonets (Bavarian Grenadiers) @ 5AP, 18-34 x Firelocks (French) @ 2AP, 0-5 x Firelocks (Bavarian) @ 2AP, 1 per 6-8 foot x Smoothbore Field Artillery @ 8AP, 1 x Smoothbore Heavy Artillery @ 12AP, 0-3 x Redoubts @ 5AP, 0-3 x Entrenchment @ 15AP, 0-1 x Pontooneers @ 2AP, 0-1 x Supply Base @ 8AP. Marlborough and Eugene can command each other's troops. Gives a flavour. cheers |
| hi EEE ya | 30 Mar 2023 11:24 p.m. PST |
Thank you John the Red,I look forward to receiving this rule. |
| hi EEE ya | 07 Apr 2023 8:12 a.m. PST |
Hello everyone, Impossible to find a Horse, Foot and Guns Version 2.0, there are only Horse, Foot and Guns Version 1.1? And also impossible to find a copy of "Tricorne & Musket", a copy of " Shako & Bayonet" and a copy of " Kepi & Rifle"? Yet these 4 rules are indicated "as to come" on the front of the cover of "Horse, Foot and Guns Version 1.1"? |
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