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Deucey Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 8:55 a.m. PST

What wargames or miniature rules are still good after all these years?

I'm thinking pre-1985 (40+ years old).

Deucey Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 9:02 a.m. PST

Divine Right




tschuma149816 Mar 2023 9:13 a.m. PST

The Sword and the Flame

Andrew Walters16 Mar 2023 9:42 a.m. PST

The Sword And The Flame


ASL came out in 1985. People still play SL, too.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 9:47 a.m. PST

Ogre/GEV (1977)
D&D/AD&D (Original, 1e, B/X, BECMI) (1974-1985, though I came out in 86)
Traveller (1977)

DeRuyter Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 9:54 a.m. PST

Wooden Ships & Iron Men

Panzer Leader / Panzer Blitz (There was a recent article about PL played with miniatures).

Andrew Walters16 Mar 2023 9:57 a.m. PST


Warhammer goes back to 1983.

General Quarters goes back to 1975.

Not sure about Diplomacy is still played much. That may have faded but it had a good run.

Up Front! still has adherents.

Someone was asking about Hearts of Oak here the other day.

Battletech? Car Wars? Chainmail? Anybody still play Starguard?

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 10:07 a.m. PST

For the record, Diplomacy is still in print: link

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 10:17 a.m. PST

The Sword and the Flame for sure

Richard Brooks Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 10:19 a.m. PST

Sword and the Flame and it's variants

kevin smoot16 Mar 2023 10:24 a.m. PST

Sword and the Flame

Axis and Allies

Deucey Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 10:25 a.m. PST
3rd5ODeuce Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 12:15 p.m. PST

War Games Rules AKA WRG, (1976).
Tractics, (1971).

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 12:23 p.m. PST

Sorcerer's Cave and Mystic wood for me!

microgeorge Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 12:34 p.m. PST

SPI's Panzer Gruppe Guderian and all of the games in this series. It introduced the concept of untried units making solitaire play much more enjoyable.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 1:40 p.m. PST

WRG 1950-1985

General Quarters 1 and 2

Skytrex modern naval

FourDJones16 Mar 2023 1:41 p.m. PST


Personal logo Sgt Slag Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 1:48 p.m. PST

2e BattleSystem, mass fantasy battles rules system, loosely based on 2e AD&D RPG rules. No special, this maker company only, figures required; open ended rules for adapting new units/forces/creatures to the game. It includes both a painting guide (dated, but still serviceable), as well as terrain making instructions (dated, but still useable).

Been playing these since 1992. Still having a blast with the rules set, and the games they allow me to put on. Last game had 10 players, with me ref'ing. Everyone had fun: six new players, and four veterans, all asked to be invited to the next game. I call that a success! Cheers!

gengulfus16 Mar 2023 3:04 p.m. PST

Cry Havoc – games from that stable still being produced.

nsolomon9916 Mar 2023 3:34 p.m. PST

Empire and Napoleons Battles in their several editions each.

FearAndLoathing16 Mar 2023 4:28 p.m. PST

Sword & The Flame
Rules by Ral

Mister Tibbles16 Mar 2023 4:28 p.m. PST

Diplomacy is very strong. Renegade Games, one of my favorite board game companies, is coming out with an updated reprint. It looks gorgeous. link

How can Warhammer be on the list? Who still plays 1st or 2nd edition? The name may be the same, but the game is nothing like it was in the 80s.

McKinstry Fezian16 Mar 2023 5:58 p.m. PST

General Quarters 1 through 3
The Sword and the Flame

Personal logo Whirlwind Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2023 9:34 p.m. PST

WRG 1925-1950
WRG 1685-1845
Squad Leader
Pony Wars

Martin Rapier17 Mar 2023 1:04 a.m. PST

There are zillions of great boardgames, I'd hate to list all of them. I've recently been having fun with the Napoleon's Last Battles Quad.

Wargames rules, maybe not so many. WRG 1925 to 50? GQ? The rest are period pieces really, although I still enjoy reading Grant, Featherstone etc not sure I'd want to play them now, although I did run a few retro Lionel Tarr games.

RPGs are different, D&D and Traveller are great, still.

Big Red Supporting Member of TMP17 Mar 2023 4:15 a.m. PST

On to Richmond.

Mr Elmo17 Mar 2023 4:28 a.m. PST

How can Warhammer be on the list?

Chess and Risk notwithstanding, Warhammer would clearly be #1, it's the only title to have launched a multi billion dollar company.

Titles like General Quarters have a niche following so I guess part of the criteria is can I buy it or has it evolved into the public domain (D&D)

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP17 Mar 2023 8:24 a.m. PST

Avalon Hill's Midway is still a great game to play.

SPI's Terrible Swift Sword and everything that flowed from it.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian17 Mar 2023 9:19 a.m. PST

AH Midway, Blitzkreig

Fire and Fury and variants

Command Decision and variants

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP17 Mar 2023 11:27 a.m. PST

Not mentioned yet that still get play here:

Battle for Germany (SPI)
Broadside (Milton Bradly, c.1962)
Melee/Sorcerer (in print now, Steve Jackson Games)
Napoleon at Waterloo (SPI, in print now Decision Games)
Rivets (Metagaming)
Sorcerer (SPI)

I would say PanzerBlitz/Panzer Leader as one entry, they usually get played by the same folks and are both going strong.

The Rules According to Ral is still a superb miniatures game, but 1986.

Mollinary17 Mar 2023 12:36 p.m. PST

Fire and Fury 1990
Volley and Bayonet 1994 (?)

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2023 11:01 a.m. PST

"SPI's Terrible Swift Sword and everything that flowed from it."

Dn Jackson agree, but I like Gleam of Bayonets better.

Some day I plan on committing 5th Corp behind 1st and 12th.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2023 12:20 p.m. PST


All from GDW

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2023 6:47 p.m. PST

There's a few old/ancient rules and boardgames I'll happily play, given the opportunity, or prefer. I have the miniatures for the rules.


Grant's The War Game.
Hill's Johnny Reb and updates.

Board wargames:
Agree with Kingmaker, Diplomacy, Terrible Swift Sword series and Wooden Ships and Iron Men, and would add:
La Bataille de la Moscowa and others in the series.
Flat Top

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2023 11:56 p.m. PST

Are we talking about board wargaming (hex and counter) or Miniature rules? So not necessarily your favorite game just ones that are still relevant.

Miniature Rules TSATF

Board Game Advance Squad Leader and Diplomacy.

I am not a fan of ASL but there are a lot of people who still play it.

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