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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2023 6:59 a.m. PST

I've seen pictures, though I can't find them again. But some at least of the toy soldiers Napoleon I had made for his son survive. Does anyone know the size or scale? (And does anyone know where I can find the pictures again?)



Robert Johnson27 Feb 2023 8:01 a.m. PST


I don't think they're to any scale

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2023 12:05 p.m. PST

Thank you very much! True. No scale. But surely they have a size? It's hard not to have a size.

Interesting that the shakos have lilies and not Imperial eagles or Bonapartist bees.

Stryderg27 Feb 2023 4:02 p.m. PST

They were created by ancient aliens (tm) and they do not, in fact, have a size. How this was accomplished is still a mystery!!!

And, I'm sorry, but I don't have anything constructive to offer.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2023 8:53 a.m. PST

I seem to remember stories about silver toy soldiers for Louis XV that were melted down to help pay for the SYW expenses. These were the "Holy Grail" for wealthy collectors in the'70s. However these Napoleonic ones are very cool and they exist!

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2023 1:19 p.m. PST

Agreed Shagnasty. And there was evidently a set or two in "the Germanies" for training purposes, but I've never seen a picture of a survivor.

Truthfully, I'm trying to get a feel for "natural" or "traditional" size/scale, if I can. I get the feeling that toy soldiers for kids run from about 40mm (Britain's "B" Range, if I remember correctly) to about 60mm (Marx playsets) centering on 54mm.

For wargame figures, I gripe a lot about scale creep, but the truth is, a Stadden or Suren 30mm goes on the same table as a Perry or Warlord 28mm. (Old Scruby or Command Post look just a tad short.) And of course there were and are 30mm flats which predate any of them. It raises the question of whether the current 32mm stuff is another round of scale creep or an aberration. Surely at some point, figures become too big for purpose? Or can we look to GW and Tin Man escalating to 36mm in another ten years?

Below that 28mm-30mm cluster, I'm not at all sure. Arguably a cluster around 20mm, 1/72 and true 25mm? Someone was arguing on the WWII boards that these were close enough to use the same rules and terrain.

But the hobby would be so much simpler with 5-6 scales, and I can't see what we'd lose by it, if there were a way to get from here to there.

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