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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP02 Feb 2023 8:59 p.m. PST

"American military leaders increasingly speak of China taking offensive action against Taiwan. That's not going to happen. The Ukraine War demonstrated the importance of motivation and morale. The Taiwanese identify with the Ukrainians while the Chinese note that they, like Russia, are basically police state dictatorships while Ukraine and Taiwan are democracies that are highly motivated to innovate and fight to preserve their way of life. China would also suffer much more than Russia from any economic problems an attack on Taiwan would lead to.

China, like Russia, has internal economic and population problems. China's working age population is shrinking and that is having an impact on the military because not enough Chinese are willing to serve. Its economic problems were amplified by recent large-scale covid19 related shutdowns. This triggered widespread open public resistance. The government backed down, unwilling to literally go to war with its people over this. Chinese leaders were then obsessed with there being no covid19 infections at all in China and so imposed the shutdowns. Most Chinese, however, paid attention to what was happening in the rest of the world, concluded that some infections and deaths were preferable to the shutdowns, and took to the streets to coerce the government into shutting down the shutdowns. The breadth and depth of their protests was unprecedented in the history of Communist China, and so threatened the power of the Chinese Communist Party that it submitted to public demands. This set a dangerous precedent for the future…"

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2023 11:53 a.m. PST

Gee … they must be students of Sun Tzu … 😎

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2023 11:58 a.m. PST

Ahhh Legion, but remember they are the holders of an "ancient Chinese secret". 😉

Had to be alive in the 70's. 🙂

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2023 3:14 p.m. PST



Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2023 4:49 p.m. PST

It must be an "ancient Chinese secret" … or classified … or both !

JMcCarroll04 Feb 2023 11:51 a.m. PST

"ancient Chinese secret" 1970's laundry commercial.

Remember it well, still use the line today. Not many know what it means.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2023 10:03 p.m. PST

On the Leaks of a War With China



Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2023 5:09 p.m. PST

Between the Chinese drugs given to the cartels bringing them coming across our border and now the 4 balloons, plus a number of other things … We may be in a new form of warfare.

Saw the number of Chinese coming across the Southern Border has significantly risen. I'm betting some spies are in those groups. Of course, they may just sneak a cross, like so many other illegal aliens. The CBP, LEOs, etc. have only an estimate of about how many "got aways" there really are.

gregmita212 Feb 2023 6:05 p.m. PST

Saw the number of Chinese coming across the Southern Border has significantly risen. I'm betting some spies are in those groups.

That's also an indication of how bad things are getting in China, and the Chinese government making it hard to leave by regular methods.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2023 6:53 p.m. PST

Yes, that is true … but the number compared to China's total population is small of course. At this point maybe only a few hundred so far. But as I said it is increasing significantly from the past.

There about 140 countries having people crossing the border. Many from 3d World, failed or failing states or even Europe. E.g. Ukrainians, Russians, Rumanians, etc.

But many are from Central & South America, or even Cuba, Haiti, etc. Plus Africa, the Mid East, A'stan, Iran, etc. Estimates are somewhere around 4-5 million according to the Border Patrol, etc. have crossed the border. Mostly from the South. However, even a few from Canada. That is in basically just over a 2 year period.

It really is a crisis … 90% don't even qualify for asylum.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2023 10:03 p.m. PST

Will China help Russia with weapons in Ukraine? There are three reasons it might



Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2023 4:48 p.m. PST

If it does it may change some things. However, no matter the equipment the Russian military is still 2d rate. The PRC AFVs etc. will be targets like all the other Russian AFVs, etc. There may just be more of them. But again, the US, NATO, etc. has to get the Ukraine the weapons they need ASAP !

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP04 Mar 2023 10:16 p.m. PST

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP07 Mar 2023 10:13 p.m. PST

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP08 Mar 2023 9:57 p.m. PST

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP09 Mar 2023 2:07 p.m. PST

Not just me, but many others, who outranked me, etc. … China could do a lot of damage with a blockage. They are building a lot of ships which with those growing numbers certainly could do a blockade AFAIK.

Cutting all trade, etc., going into or out of Taiwan. The question is how long it will take for them to collapse and become part of the PRC/CCP again. I'd think many of the Taiwan's leaders etc. probably won't be very treated well. E.g. Hong Kong.

Will the US and our Allies in that region break/run the blockage ? Shots could be exchanges, blood spilled, etc. Then will it escalate ?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2023 9:57 p.m. PST

A Chinese Naval Blockade Of Taiwan Will Send Shockwaves Across The World




Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2023 8:00 a.m. PST

The PRC/CCP is preparing for war … Deleted by Moderator

The Chinese are students of Sun Tzu … the US leadership … ?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Mar 2023 10:11 p.m. PST

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Mar 2023 10:37 p.m. PST

China: Problems Without Solutions



Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2023 10:49 a.m. PST

Xi is trying to replace the US not only economically, militarily but diplomatically. They brokered a "peace" deal between arch enemies the KSA & Iran. Probably the Prince of Saudia Arabia didn't like the US leadership calling him a murder, even if he was. Realpolitik … some need to look up what that means. Especially since the US was made no longer energy independent. 'nuff said on that … we know how that happened.

IIRC, Xi is going to the Ukraine to talk to Zelensky soon. Hmmm … Whose next ? Will Xi visit Canada or Mexico ?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2023 10:11 p.m. PST

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2023 3:26 p.m. PST

No surprise there ! When they start sending AFVs, etc. that could be a game changer. Of course, I doubt the Russians will use those any better than their own AFVs.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2023 7:51 p.m. PST

No, no surprise. But they need real soldiers who are well trained, and tactical doctrine that goes beyond artillery shelling. Look at how the recent big tank battle went for them. After a year they still drive down a road, no combined alarms, start to get picked off, turn off the road into prepared mine fields and fields of fire. Sending these guys tanks just means the world will end up with fewer tanks, based on their performance s far.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2023 8:49 a.m. PST

Tort … you got all that right ! And yes … fewer MBTs/AFVs but a lot of scrap metal …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2023 10:21 p.m. PST

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2023 7:55 a.m. PST

Well, the PRC/CCP has attacked, supported/assisted in attacks the USA, UN & SEATO during the Korean War & Vietnam. So payback is a mutha' Xi …

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