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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian12 Jan 2023 5:10 a.m. PST

Top Navy leaders are sounding the alarm over what they see as the defense industry's failure to deliver enough ammunition to both meet the demands of the sea service as well as aid shipments to Ukraine…

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soledad12 Jan 2023 6:01 a.m. PST

So the US navy is blaming the war in Ukraine for not getting enough torpedoes? I guess Im misunderstanding a few things, 1. I did not know the US navy have fired so many torpedoes that they need to resupply it bad enough that they cannot outfit their ships with full complements of torpedoes. 2. Have USA given torpedoes to Ukraine? If not why blame that war on torpedo delivery?

Garand12 Jan 2023 6:07 a.m. PST

Possibly they are looking at the situation in Ukraine as a predictor of what might happen in a high intensity conflict. And while 155mm artillery shells & torpedos might seem to be quite different, both use a high explosive filler, which might become a bottleneck during a wartime production rush.


Inch High Guy12 Jan 2023 8:50 a.m. PST

The US has not supplied Mk 48 torpedoes (the type the subs use) nor SM-6 missiles to Ukraine. The take-away here is the USN is struggling to arm and deploy 75 of its ships simultaneously. Let that sink in – not enough weaps for the entire Fleet and no reloads.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2023 12:10 p.m. PST

Any supply military supply concerns need to be addressed ASAP. We may have a two-front war. Supplying the Ukraine to defeat Russia and Taiwan to keep the PRC/CCP off their shores. We used to be called the "arsenal of democracy". We have to be able to supply what our Military and Allies need. Again, I think it is a matter of priorities starting at the top. I'm sure the PRC/CCP is producing many, many torpedoes, etc. They are focused and have priorities … some here should take note. Before it's too late.

Striker12 Jan 2023 3:45 p.m. PST

Don't worry Inch High, the PRC will either wait for us to get our stuff ready or they'll make them and sell them to us. . . .wait a minute, there's a capital idea! Wasn't that 45bn coming out of the DoD budget? Will the current admin start pumping dollars into the US DoD with this news or is it like other things: we'll give money to others just not handle our own problems.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2023 8:53 p.m. PST

In WWI the Allies had an ammunition crisis and ran out of artillery ammo.

In the Philippines MacArthur's forces had so many duds from 81mm ammo that the mortars were nearly useless, it had been in storage too long and the US could not supply them.

After Torch the US had to use British 25 pounders because we ran out of artillery ammo.

After Normandy the US had to use British 25 pounders because we ran out of artillery ammo.

Are you seeing a trend? Buying ammo is not sexy or interesting so the services instead buy tanks and destroyers but never enough ammo to feed them.

Also we have had a civilian ammo shortage for 20 years but essentially very little has been done to fix that problem. Much of our supply of raw materials for ammo come from Communist China. Are you surprised?

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2023 11:59 a.m. PST

Today … very little surprises me … sadly …

If I say more I'll certainly be DH'd ! 🐶🏠

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