"more on modern secession" Topic

SB +1

Tort +1 … But as far as I concerned, this is an invasion. The illegal aliens are breaking US law crossing our borders. And again the cartels are using the "human waves" as cover. That is their current tactic as they know the US won't use firepower and force on unarmed civilians. That is a war crime. We don't do things like that obviously. And again, the cartels running the failed state of Mexico know it.

The paradigm of what is an "invasion" has shifted. To what we see today. Plus the cartels are winning. But again, our top leadership is not addressing this. This is not by accident. Some of our elected and appointed officials must be held accountable.

But meanwhile the flood continues … the cartels get richer, and Americans are dying at a rate of 300 a day. With our federal gov't doing 0.

And I'm pretty sure TX or any other state will secede …

A failure of leadership indeed. The only reason I don't like to use the word invasion is because these are mostly unarmed civilians, families with no intent but escape. But the criminals are not the same. The drug situation likely needs a military solution and this means working with Mexico. But reality is that we need to close down the border and restore its integrity and security.

Where is the best place to stop the drug trade, the flood of refugees? In a perfect world I would choose their points of origin, not our border. But we are left with little choice.

I would not agree with the OP on the character of leadership in Texas and Florida. Being large doesn't mean secession makes sense. They would flounder almost immediately and you know one or both of them will have more catastrophic storms to deal with soon enough.

What about currency, defense, federal/national infrastructure, trade, labor, foreign relations, security. Texas could not handle its own grid collapse two years ago. War with Mexico? Florida is less likely to secede, aging population, millions of transplants are not going to like it. How will it handle the hurricanes on its own? One guy with a highly partisan attitude is gonna be in trouble pretty soon.

As I have said before Scotland and the SNP keep charging up this hill, but in the end they don't have enough answers about the details to inspire confidence and get the votes.

"Oh, here's the 2020 Election County Map for CA"

Yes, note that the blue and red are cleanly delineated by the San Andreas Fault. When the "Big One" hits, the blue sections will slide into the Pacific, forming a new underwater nation… ;-)

As I have said before Scotland and the SNP keep charging up this hill, but in the end they don't have enough answers about the details to inspire confidence and get the votes.

That's why I think devolution, not secession is what we should be thinking about.

The only reason I don't like to use the word invasion is because these are mostly unarmed civilians…

Remember the British Invasion of the 1960s?

Remember the British Invasion of the 1960s?

Of course that was hyperbole. 😁

A failure of leadership indeed. The only reason I don't like to use the word invasion is because these are mostly unarmed civilians, families with no intent but escape.

It is the Federal Gov't's job to protect the border and it's citizens. The term invasion has changed a bit, IMO. The drug runners, human slavers, gang members are using the unarmed but still legal aliens as diversions and cover. They are taking advantage of the USA misplaced priorities. It is a classic case of Guerilla Warfare. As Mao said, IIRC to paraphrase, "the guerilla must move among the fishes". This is what is happening at the border.

Plus, these unarmed illegal aliens are breaking the law. Our laws that the Federal Gov't is ignoring. The illegal aliens are criminals too.

As well as the vast majority of these illegal aliens don't qualify for asylum. But letting them go into the US telling to come to a hearing in a couple of years. Is just plain stupid. Tying ICE, LEO, etc. hands is just as stupid.

IMO this whole "charade" will eventually become one part of our elected gov't trying to give illegal aliens the ability in Federal elections. This is wrong in so many ways … Many of our elected and appointed officials should be called on this ridiculous agenda.

The drug situation likely needs a military solution and this means working with Mexico.

Yes, but the Mexican Gov't is corrupt and many in the pockets of the cartels. Using cruise missiles to take out cartel and gang locations, drug supply points, hitting cartel convoys, the bosses' houses, etc. Would be one method that I kind of like, of course. But if you told the Mexican Gov't some would tell the cartels and gangs. Making our strikes less effective. Will there be CD ? Almost certainly. The bosses' houses will probably have their family, etc. there. Can't get around some CD. The cartels and gangs must not only be atritted but destroy their infrastructure, etc.

However, US cruise missiles hitting Mexican territory is an act of war. And of course, we'd have to shut the border down tight. To prevent cartels, gangs, terrorist, etc. infiltration, attacks, etc. So, this is probably not a realistic option, sadly. For better or worse.

But reality is that we need to close down the border and restore its integrity and security.

That is the bottom line. The only solution. And it should be done immediately.

The latest Fed Gov't plan is having the illegals download an app, on their smart phones. To make a reservation at a port of entry, for a hearing and they must have a sponsor in the USA. BTW, why do these very poor refugees have smart phones? I thought they couldn't get work back home and had to come here to make $ ? Where did these poor refugees get the $ ? I can't afford a smart phone.

Again, IMO another out of touch ridiculous plan/policy … which will almost assuredly be a failure.

I thought you all might find this interesting.

"FAIR Analysis: 5.5 Million Illegal Aliens Have Crossed our Borders Since Biden Took Office"

This includes apprehended and got aways.

For perspective: "The population of Ireland stood at 5,123,536 on April 3, 2022"
This many people from many countries, but "mostly" Spanish speaking and having similar cultures, at best, will be da#n near impossible to assimilate.


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It clear, I hope, that I agree with you about border security being the immediate priority.
But we should also note that the number of people trying to get into the US is not just because Biden is POTUS. The crisis in those countries has increased dramatically in the last couple of years and conditions have really deteriorated.

But all the more reason to get on this. Today's POTUS remarks were a start, not a lot and way late in the game. When and if we have a functional Congress, we will see what happens. Leadership is in short supply in many areas.

I favor joint military operations in the drug war. I just do not see any other way.

As for the phones, I saw this kind of thing for years on the street. There are ways to get hold of most anything in a cash economy.

But in Venezuela, for example, minimum wage is around $4 USD a month, the phones are old androids, and more than half the people have no phone. If a US relative mailed someone a phone there it would just disappear. People there with some money get a lot of their groceries via Amazon from the US.

So the idea that a lot of refugees will use the US phone app sounds ludicrous.

And – the Mexicans just caught El Chapo's son, who took over from him. His cartel is now engaging authorities in guerilla war in Culiacan as a result.

The capture was probably timed because of the POTUS trip. Now would be a great time to suggest some joint operations. I don't think it will happen though.

the number of people trying to get into the US is not just because Biden is POTUS.

Yes it is … they knew Trump was playing hardball. Title 42, stay in Mexico, the Wall, no catch & release and the CBP, ICE, LEO told Biden not to change the border policy. He ignored that and started to dismantle what Trump did to keep the control of the border.

There is footage of Biden, the VP, etc. inviting illegal aliens to cross the open border. As well as CBP, ICE etc. saying all the wrong things that were done on the border by the current admin, etc. Biden et al changed things that Trump did only because Trump did them. E.g. the border, energy independence, etc., etc.

A congressman from AZ recently said, that in 2020 CBP, LEO, etc. intercepted @ 9000 illegal aliens in one year. Now they intercept that many in a week's time. If you don't believe anything I posted it is online. Today if you say something it is recorded one way or another.

Schummer said, I saw this on the news. We need all these immigrants because Americans are not making enough babies … WDF ?!?!? Most Americans can't afford to make too many babies IMO, because of the failure of the current economic bubbling, etc., at the Federal level starting with poor priorities. E.g. Went to the store today. A dozen of eggs were $6.89 USD … WDF ??!?!?!? Didn't buy any … Would be cheaper to buy a chicken.

IMO and many others the plan is to get as many illegal aliens as they can across the border. And eventually give them the right to vote in Federal elections. Maybe wave a "magic wand" and say they are now US citizens ? WDF ?!?!?!?

Not to mention all the drugs, murders, etc. are killing American citizens daily.

Schummer said, I saw this on the news. We need all these immigrants because Americans are not making enough babies … WDF ?!?!?

Odd, isn't it? If this was such a concern, then why would they push unlimited, unrestricted on-demand ab@@ion?

Most Americans can't afford to make too many babies IMO, because of the failure of the current economic bubbling, etc., at the Federal level starting with poor priorities. E.g. Went to the store today. A dozen of eggs were $6.89 USD USD … WDF ??!?!?!? Didn't buy any … Would be cheaper to buy a chicken.

There are many factors that lead to a declining birth rate:

1. Affluence – kids impact lifestyle too much, and people don't see the need for kids to care for them later in life or help with the family business or farm. And affluence is relative, if you're comfortable with your needs being met some may opt out of parenting.

2. Life choice for women, who can get an education, enter the work force and delay having kids. Which can also lead to #1.

3. Uncertainty – when things are uncertain, economically and perhaps with risk of physical danger, people delay having kids.

4. Poverty – but this is a lessor driver than uncertainty.

Most of the declining birth rate in the US is a function of the natural global decline in population growth as women can have more life choices, but then Affluence in the US/West has depressed population growth and Uncertainty just compounds it.

I know this is a hot topic for you Legion, and I am not letting POTUS of the hook.

The increase in numbers is not JUST because of POTUS, I said. There are exponentially more people moving through the Central American corridor that at any time in history, as I understand it.

42 is a Covid policy, not meant to solve immigration. Laws come from Congress. But on this topic we are an historic failure. So we need a strong commander on this until we have lawmakers who can figure it out. No clue as to who this might be.

Yes you really can't let our POTUS and gov't off the hook. As I was told as a Plt Ldr and Mech Co Cdr, "You are responsible for everything your troops do and fail to do." E.g. Mayorkas can't get away with saying he is just following orders. The POTUS is ignoring laws that does not fit the agenda.

Laws come from Congress.

And yet the POTUS et al ignore them …

As Truman said, "The Buck stops here." … The Biden admin has not ever accepted anything from the plethora of failures since Day 1.

And yes we need a very strong CinC. As we see we don't have that. And our enemies see it as well …

There are exponentially more people moving through the Central American corridor that at any time in history, as I understand it.

Yes as I and many others have said, the footage is out there where the POTUS, VP etc. opened the border. That why the flood of illegal aliens is coming fearing that if we get much better leadership and will shut it down. And the cartels are making millions. Many of these illegal aliens are from failed or failing states. Some 130+ nations. Nations we give $ to all the time. The illegals and cartels are taking advantage of our weak, feckless, etc. leadership. That has to be obvious …

Odd, isn't it? If this was such a concern, then why would they push unlimited, unrestricted on-demand ab@@ion?

It does not fit their agenda … like so many other things they do.

There are many factors that lead to a declining birth rate:

Yes agreed … as you listed. However, the uncertainty and cost is are big factors. Unless you have taken advantage of the Gov'ts social welfare programs, etc.

And yes we need a very strong CinC. As we see we don't have that.

We agree on closing the border, but not on the narrative you have given here. As sometimes happens..we disagree – with respect.

Well we agree the boarder needs to be shut down. That's a positive. 🙂

Legion and I and some others agree the POTUS, his party and their policies are responsible for this disaster. What he immediately did when coming into office, rescinding the policies of the previous President and having no real boarder policy since.

I gave up believing it is our responsibility to make things better in other countries. Iraq and Afghanistan put the final nails in that coffin for me. You can't force things better for others. They have to want and work for the change. There is not enough money to do it and we can't afford more and more debt. The people in those countries have to step up and do it for themselves. It is their responsibility to make their countries better. Our founders did it.

People also have to realize that communism and socialism ultimately fail. Venezuela is the most current example.

I wonder What would happen if we placed the illegals on planes and shipped them to other countries where they would have a chance to Better their lives? Say we start flying them to Canadian airports. Maybe Australia, New Zealand, UK, Germany, France, Belgium, Japan, Spain… etc.. l wonder how that would be reacted to? 🤔

We saw how Martha's Vineyard reacted. 😂 Maybe Kennebunkport next.

We have had over 5 million illegals come in since 2020. We already had probably close to 20 million others who have come in, in the years previous. That is not counting the multi millions who were legalized under (Ronald Reagan?), I don't remember which president for sure. We were supposed to stop it after that and did not.

I am not against legal immigration. All for it. Worked with Indians and filipinos, who went through the process and were proud of it. They were very vocal against illegal immigration. Increase the legal immigrants, stop the illegals.

Some good points. I think there could be a way to invest in some of these countries feeding the border crisis that benefits us and them and give us some leverage to slow the movement.

Closing the border is part of making the leverage work. At some point we need laws, not policies, to control the border. Both sides must meet in the middle on terms.

That Biden kept Title 42 for the last two years says something about the reality on the ground. He did stop work on the Wall, which was not much to begin with. And he rescinded policies that separated families. But the system is so antiquated and disconnected from world realities that it must be redesigned. You can only do this if you close the border indefinitely and undertake a major reorg.

We need a respite from the political rhetoric and constant running for office on this issue without anyone having a clue in their heads about building a new system. Blamer culture helped shine a light on the crisis. So now, where are all the details? I don't buy that the previous guy had it all together on this. We just disagree, as with the voting conspiracy thing. What will happen in the new Congress is unclear. But let's see what they propose now. Both sides need to bend.

If Texas secedes over this, which they won't, would there be war on the border?

Many of the countries you mentioned have had their own waves of migrants, raising issues and touching off protests.

As sometimes happens..we disagree – with respect.

No harm … no foul … we are not going to agree on everything.

OVI +1

If Texas secedes over this, which they won't, would there be war on the border?

As you said, they won't secede … regardless highly doubtful there would be a war. Unless the cartels/gangs try to do a forced entry on the border. Then the US gov't should respond, regardless. AZ, NM etc. are border states too …

As I said, we agree the boarder has to be shut down. So let's write our representatives and suggest it. Opps …. I did that with both Portman and Brown. Portman would send me form letters agreeing and proposing nothing of value and doing nothing. Fortunately he is gone now. Brown would send me form letters saying his party is doing this that and the other, but NOT shutting down the boarder. Again nothing. I can try Vance now and see what he proposes. But since they have no power in the Senate, probably useless. I think we will get a bill passed in the House this time. But it will of course fail in the Senate. And if by some miracle it passed in both, I am sure it would be vetoed.

Suggestions??? 🙂

Only by making illegal immigration equally miserable all over the US, will we have a chance to have anything concrete done about it. It is totally unfair that the boarder states, especially Texas and Arizona, take the brunt of this problem.

I still would love to hear the outcry to the White House if illegals start arriving by the plane load in Canada, Australia, Japan, UK, Germany ….. 😂

Berlin Airport February 2023. Door opens on Flight 2331 out of Dallas:

"Hola nuestras amigas alemanas!"

Ha! But they have their own immigrants to send back to us! I don't speak any Middle Eastern languages, but Syria leads the pack by far there.

I am disillusioned with the way the political system is gamed by both sides. I am hoping a few more on each side of the aisle have had enough crazy and start seeing the forrest for the trees, form an All-American coalition style government. Like Manchin and Sinema have done sometimes. We cannot stand still much longer on issues like the border.

We cannot stand still much longer on issues like the border.

Bingo !!!

I still would love to hear the outcry to the White House if illegals start arriving by the plane load in Canada, Australia, Japan, UK, Germany …..

Refuel the plane/s and send it back, then close all points of entry to US aircraft, ships, other transportation and nationals. I do feel sorry for US service personnel- they won't be able to go off base, if they get a chance to go off base before being deported, without risking a kicking from the locals or harassment from local cops.

Pollies around the world would probably get verbal diarrhoea, but that's expected and can be ignored as usual.

The PRC would not believe their luck while watching the US dismantle all it's alliances in one go.

😂 exactly what I expected to hear from across the pond.

Wish we would do that at our boarder. We could, but don't.

Hmmm the PRC 🤔 Revenge for Covid, the emerald ash bore, the lantern fly, radioactive drywall, toxic dogfood….. the list is long and getting longer. Load the planes!!! Get ready Beijing!!! 👿

exactly what I expected to hear from across the pond

And exactly what the US would do as well. And rightly so, mate. 80% or more of our illegals are economic immigrants, not refugees or assylum seekers as some would have us believe. I have little doubt the same applies on the US borders.

Hmmm the PRC

Though I'm not sure if a Cantonese-Mexican food fusion would work too well. Taco's in oyster and plum sauce, anyone?

Dal +1

80% or more of our illegals are economic immigrants, not refugees or assylum seekers as some would have us believe. I have little doubt the same applies on the US borders.

No those figures may be pretty close to the USA's border crisis. Economic immigrants are the most illegal alien types we get. They do not qualify for asylum. They should be sent back to where they came from immediately. Become an American legally and we will welcome you …

Though I'm not sure if a Cantonese-Mexican food fusion would work too well.

The Chinese are selling drugs to the Cartels to make fentanyl, etc. The CCP is probably helping them making the drugs. Don't know if there are any Asian eateries in Mexico ? Probably ?

Taco's in oyster and plum sauce, anyone?

I've had Mediterranean Tacos … pretty good.

Someday I'll be driving down the road. And all the signs will be in Chinese, Spanish and lastly English. With Taco Bells and House of China on every corner. I do like Hispanic and Asian food … so I'd have that going for me … 🍚🍣🌮🥠🍱🥡

Friendly civil discourse ….. +100

B

Agreed

Yes, but no Chinese tacos, por favor. My taste buds are stuck in the 1950's!

Tacos aren't that common here (however we have been "blessed" by Taco Bell opening some eateries in Sydney and Melbourne), but Asian restaurants are common (Thai, various Chinese, Malay and Japanese are most common). However I got to experience Mexican food at nearly every lunch break when I was on a course in Atlanta. Born with a mild food intolerance (nightshade group- eggplant, tomatoes, capsicum and chilli) I also got very familiar with US toilet seats and bathroom sinks.

My main objection to economic "refugees" is that they take spots that real refugees should have. The worst examples were some of the Rwandan kids that our medics had to treat but leave in Rwanda, who had been deliberately maimed and/or disfigured by the opposing tribes (slit or removed noses, lips and ears, scarified cheeks, foreheads and necks, etc, that Aussie plastic surgeons would have been able to treat). We only got <100 back for treatment and resettlement here because all the allocated slots had been taken up by people-smuggled "refugees" who weren't.

Those who advocate open gate immigration should be forced to host and mentor a family, and pay extra tax for the increased infrastructure needed to support the increased population. I believe you'd reduce the number of open door advocates by 95% when the virtue signallers- and immigration lawyers- rushed for the exit.

"Those who advocate open gate immigration should be forced to host and mentor a family, and pay extra tax for the increased infrastructure needed to support the increased population. I believe you'd reduce the number of open door advocates by 95% when the virtue signallers- and immigration lawyers- rushed for the exit."

+1

Based on what I have read, what I have seen personally, what I see and hear on TV, the majority are economic, who illegally coming here as well. Of course we have caught and not caught terrorists, cartel and gang members as well.

I've said and will say again. Come in legally and screened. No problem with that. Illegal and and not properly screened, lots of problems with that.

no Chinese tacos, por favor.

Some would say that is racist !!!! 😆

Tacos aren't that common here (however we have been "blessed" by Taco Bell opening some eateries in Sydney and Melbourne), but Asian restaurants are common (Thai, various Chinese, Malay and Japanese are most common).

Sounds good to me !!! Too bad you don't have any real Hispanic eateries. Taco Bell is pretty but good for fast food, but real good Mexican food is better. We have Taco Bells and many Mexican restaurants here ! You make it over here ! It's on me ! We have a lot of Italian eateries here. Plus, a lot of Asian. Even Greek, Polish and German. No wonder I got fat !

Based on what I have read, what I have seen personally, what I see and hear on TV, the majority are economic, who illegally coming here as well. Of course we have caught and not caught terrorists, cartel and gang members as well.

Completely true, one former CBP top leader interviewed today said 90% are economic. When the Catch & Release cluster was put back in action by our newly elected top leadership. Then the flood only got worse. Most of those will never show up for a hearing 2 years from now. Another massive error by our top leadership. To actually have our elected & appointed leadership shut down the border. The cries from the far left socialist, etc. minority would label everyone in the WH, Congress, etc. as racists and white supremacists.

Guess that is more important not to be called racist, than stopping 300 Americans dying from Chinese drugs crossing our border by Mexican cartels and gangs. The Fed Gov't is guilty of ignoring the Constitution by not protecting "we the people". Including terrorists on the watch list caught crossing the border. Are those terrorists at Gitmo ? Probably not …

My next, and probably last, trip will be back to Europe, mate, to see if I can finish off photographing a couple of old SYW manuscripts for Kronoskaf. With airfares and hotel tariffs as high as they are that's probably not going to happen, either.

You get a good mix of restaurants in the cities and bigger towns, covering all the ones you listed. Out in the bush or small towns, though, you'll generally see Asian (Thai or Chinese), Italian, Greek, kebab shops and fast food places. Mexican, even Spanish or other Mediterranean are much less common. But it may be that I haven't noticed any- because tomatoes and chillis hate me I tend not to remember places where they are a big part of the cuisine. :-)

My prejudice is strictly culinary based on ulcers I developed during my working years. No spices for me! or combining cultural adventure food!

My prejudice is strictly culinary based on ulcers I developed

You have my sympathy about that, Tort. Having seen what oesophageal ulcers can do I wouldn't wish them on a politician. Although perhaps one or two……

Would a Mexican/Chinese taco be maybe?

A corn tortilla, Shredded chicken cooked with a little ginger, sesame, a touch of teriyaki, onions and cilantro and some sriracha Sauce sprinkled on it. Mexican Shredded cheese optional

Top with some squeezed lime?

Seemed like a combo of both worlds. 🙂

I'll have the burger…🍔!

You have my sympathy about that,

Yep I can't eat like I used to. My friend & I would go to a Mexican restaurant and try all the different hot sauces on the table. The owner would even bring out his "especial" stuff too … Not today … ☹

Seemed like a combo of both worlds.

Works for me !

I'll have the burger…🍔!

Denny's used to put a fried egg on a burger ! Mmmmm ! 😋

"Yes our Southern borders are being overrun by illegal aliens"

I lived in Arizona for many years and there was a growing anger and resentment of the Federal government and other states that felt entitled to have any opinion about border security. Arizona prison populations are 17% Mexican National and the Arizona taxpayers have to foot the bill and deal with the increased crime for being a border state. The rage and resentment grow every time a crime is committed against an Arizonan. The Federal government is responsible for border security and refuses to take responsibility depending on which party is in office. In fact, the Federal government refuse to let Arizona take responsibility for its own border. There are other issues associated with this topic, but they would illicit some severe responses on TMP.

I'll have the burger

Hamburger with egg, bacon, lettuce and extra onion, chips ("fries" in Yanklish) with chicken salt, a couple of dim sims and a Norco triple shot iced coffee ( link ) to wash it down.

I can feel those arteries hardening already.

What I'll probably end up having is ham or chicken and salad.

Dragon +1

The AZ governor took down the connex/shipping containers that were being used to gain some control over the flood of illegal aliens. She was just voted in. I guess some don't mind the illegals, the drugs, murders, etc. The POTUS told her to remove the containers and well … they are from the same party. The Fed Gov't has failed miserably at protecting its citizens. But is letting the illegals cross and stay. Using Catch & Release program.

Then in the future get them to vote in Fed election. That has to be what they are thinking. Using humanitarian excuses to cover this plan. Only legal US citizens should vote in any election … period. And illegals should become US citizens legally. The vast majority of US citizens don't want the flood of illegals and all the problems they bring. The tail is wagging the dog again. A very vocal minority is pushing this agenda. Like a number of other projects being push on "we the people" …

Hamburger with egg, bacon, lettuce and extra onion, chips ("fries" in Yanklish) with chicken salt, a couple of dim sims and a Norco triple shot iced coffee ( link ) to wash it down.

I'm with you there ! Mmmmm ! 😋

Speaking of the border. The POTUS makes his "first" visit to the border. Does he get to see the real issues? No! Instead they do a PRC visit, completely sanitized and managed. I found an article that has before and after images of the area just days before his visit and then what it looked like while he was there. Did he get farmers and border patrol who are on the front lines and have a town hall? No! Only specially chosen, were allowed around him. A 3 hour tour, just like "Gilligans island", but without getting stranded.

The PRC would be so proud.

Biden accused of ‘stage-managed' border tour — RT World News


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Thanks Dal – hold the lettuce!

And maybe the egg… I just read that the massive increase in egg prices was caused by the months long avian flu epidemic among chickens. We lost a ton of birds and high demand for eggs during the holidays drove the prices sky high. Apparently the chickens had no mask mandate….

Arizona doesn't exactly foot the bill for everything. As of November they were the 8th most dependent state on Federal dollars, getting back $1.71 USD for every dollar in taxes they pay.

But they do have a high crime rate and a high poverty rate, things which usually go together.

35th OVI +1 …

Was a very sterile 3 hours. Everything was cleaned up and no illegal aliens sleeping in the streets, etc.

The CBP Union, etc. was not talked to.

No illegal aliens were seen or talked to.

No one who lost a family member from drugs that came across the open border was talked to.

Nor anyone whose had lost someone killed/raped, etc. by illegal aliens was talked too.

The visit should have been right on the Rio Grande. To watch the illegal aliens wade across the river in large numbers. As they knew once they made it to the US, they'd come under the Fed Gov't's "catch & release" policy. I heard the WH has a lot of bedrooms, toilets and a great cafeteria. Maybe some could go there ?

+1 Legion…He should have insisted on going to the river. He must see the pictures we all see, why would he not want to see it in person? It's part of understanding the issues and finding solutions. I don't buy conspiracy here, but it's way past time to get real about this.

I don't buy conspiracy here, but it's way past time to get real about this.

It's not a conspiracy. It's deliberate policy. I'll let Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D) explain why they are keeping the border open as a matter of policy choice:

"We're short of workers. We have a population that is not reproducing on its own at the same level that it used to. The only way we're going to have a great future in America is if we welcome and embrace immigrants – the "dreamers" and *all* of them. Our ultimate goal is to help the "dreamers" but also for *all of them*, get a pathway to citizenship for all 11 Million or how ever many Undocumented there are."

YouTube link

He should have insisted on going to the river. He must see the pictures we all see, why would he not want to see it in person?

Yes, and at the same time of the 3 hour visit, 8 US Congresswomen, from all sides(IIRC), were at the river. They saw what is going on. The illegals crossing, the garbage everywhere, etc. They heard the horror stories of the cartels raping and even killing and mutilating females. To make an example to others, etc. I guess those lives don't matter ?

I saw the footage and interview of those Congresswomen along the river a number of times. Let's hope they will bring this really useful information and footage back to those in charge at the top. But what is that saying, from the Bible, IIRC ?

"There is none so blind that will not see."

… or something like that. If it does not fit the agenda and narrative, it must be a "myth". As one elected official said about the 500+ BLM, etc., 2020 riots.

Or even better … "You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink." 🤠🐴

Or "You can't free a fish from water." … 🐟

'nuff said …🤐

SBmini +1

SB, Schumer is the majority leader and I do not agree with him. We could use some immigration as the world birth rate begins to decline and we cannot find people to work while the unemployment rate is so low.

But only after we secure the border and build a new system that allows for controlled entry of people who meet legal requirements. I would still let the Dreamers stay. They were born here through no fault of their own.

IMO, We need to show what we still stand for without getting overrun by millions of refugees. Don't let everybody in, don't kick everybody out. Get control of it. I know this is impossible for the next few years, however. Politics.