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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP23 Dec 2022 8:59 p.m. PST

… His Country In Early 2023

"Moldova's spy chief warned on Monday (19 December) of a "very high" risk of a new Russian offensive towards his country's east next year and said Moscow still aimed to secure a land corridor through Ukraine to the breakaway Moldovan region of Transnistria.

The comments by Alexandru Musteaţă, head of the Information and Security Service, echo recent messages out of Ukraine where top army generals have warned in recent days of the threat of a major new Russian offensive early next year…"


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Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP23 Dec 2022 9:52 p.m. PST

We need a comprehensive European peace.

Russia returns to the 1992 borders with Ukraine.
Russian troops all our of Moldova, Chechnya, and Georgia.
Russia gives up all their nuclear weapons just as Ukraine did at the end of the Cold War.
All POWs returned. All displaced persons returned.
DMZ between Russia and their neighbors patrolled by UN troops.
No Russian warships in the Black Sea over 1,000 tons, or that submerge, or carry aircraft.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP23 Dec 2022 10:39 p.m. PST

Agreed !

What & how would Russia invade any place ? I'm pretty sure Putin is on the naughty list. He won't find a new army under his tree.

soledad23 Dec 2022 11:31 p.m. PST

Carnot, you are obviously a friend of Russia. After Russia is soundly defeated, to the Victor belongs the spoils. Russia get no say how the peace is decided.

Did they allies give up anything after WWII? Nope.

Why should Ukraine give up anything?

Russia is the some aggressor. The fault is only Russias. Russia must just accept the outcome.

Arjuna23 Dec 2022 11:41 p.m. PST

We need a comprehensive European peace

I don't mean to be rude, I'm more of a cheerful nihilist, but is it Christmas Eve again?
Setting maximum demands as an anchor in the negotiations is fine, but I think we will be lucky if the local war, which will go on for years, does not spill over into NATO territory, if not by accident or local warlordism on the Russian part and hopefully turn into a 20-30 year cold war over time.

Dagwood24 Dec 2022 3:23 a.m. PST

"After Russia is soundly defeated" ? You mean after the Ukrainians occupy Moscow ? I can't see that happening anytime soon.

Dagwood24 Dec 2022 5:04 a.m. PST

The only way Ukraine can get anything to negotiate with is by taking as much territory from Russia as Russia occupies in Ukraine. But Putin has threatened nuclear war if Russian territory is invaded…

Striker24 Dec 2022 7:08 a.m. PST

Of course Moldava is going to be invaded! The US money bag is open for any and all hands under threat. Hell, I think I see T-80s forming up around the corner and coming to take my house.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2022 7:18 a.m. PST

Putin is going to have to rent some more troops & equipment. He keeps losing much of what he had.

Russia is the some aggressor. The fault is only Russias. Russia must just accept the outcome.
This type of WWII type mentality can't stand. The Russians need to be punished. Not just militarily, but economically. They need to become the pariah they are.

Striker24 Dec 2022 7:48 a.m. PST

We did that after WW1 and then a different method after WWII. So we're going back to the WW1 method and seeing if the results will be different? If anything Putin would be gone and his cronies but "drive Russia into the stone age" will probably work out just as well as post-WWi Germany did. I'm no super historian or special cat with CIA connections so what do I know.

mjkerner24 Dec 2022 8:33 a.m. PST

Nuke Moscow from orbit. It's the only way.

SBminisguy24 Dec 2022 9:20 a.m. PST

Russia is the some aggressor. The fault is only Russias. Russia must just accept the outcome.

Russia has a nuclear arsenal. TacNukes, ICBMs, nuke bombers, the whole thing. Russia's nuclear arsenal guarantees that Russia will not just accept the outcome, so stop the dangerously stupid discussion of "nuking Moscow from orbit" and WW2-esque total victory.

Germany did not have nukes.
Imperial Japan did not have nukes.
Fascist Italy did not have nukes.

The US did. It was the sole nuclear superpower until some American Leftists gave the Russkies The Bomb to help the global Communist cause. And now Russians have one of the most extensive nuclear arsenals on the planet.

The only realistic outcome for peace is a deal that both Russia and Ukraine dislike. So what's important how to both sides?

For Russia, taking Ukraine is not going to happen and they are in danger of losing their only strategic naval base on the Black Sea. I believe they will defend that with TacNukes -- Putin will likely believe the US will not trade New York City for a Ukrainian mech column.

1. Russia gets to keep some part of Crimea that contains the naval base at Sevastopol connected by the Kerch Bridge.

2. Ukraine cedes Sevastopol and gets the withdrawal of all Russian units from the rest of Ukraine. They should also get energy guarantees from Russia -- they get their pipelines rebuilt and discounted oil & gas for something like 20 years.

3. The World gets the end of a horrific and disruptive war.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2022 12:24 p.m. PST

Now you are talking SB. I think this is for the most part the only possibility for a deal. The war is already so destructive that it will take years for both sides to recover. Nukes or not, Russia has been diminished as a world power. But Putin needs save face and Ukraine needs to halt the destruction.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2022 2:45 p.m. PST



Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2022 4:52 p.m. PST

If Putin holds Crimea, he'll claim victory. Won't have too many troops and equipment for a parade though…

CFeicht Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2022 5:16 p.m. PST

Sounds like tongue-in-cheek blather to garner international aid both monetary and military ….

Garand24 Dec 2022 6:02 p.m. PST

Russia has another naval base in the Black Sea. Sevastopol isn't the sole one.


Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2022 6:27 p.m. PST

"Most "peace" proposals tend to require both sides to give up something in return for something…the proposal above requires the Ukraine to give up what?"

Being attacked?

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2022 6:33 p.m. PST

SB, it's a nice idea, but what guarantee does Ukraine have that Russia/Putin will honor any of the agreement? He supported Ukrainian separatists for years, annexed the Crimea due in part to American indifference, and launched a war with no justification which now includes random attacks on civilians and infrastructure.

So how Ukraine any agreement with Russia unless they dictate the terms after soundly defeating them?

SBminisguy24 Dec 2022 10:35 p.m. PST

So how Ukraine any agreement with Russia unless they dictate the terms after soundly defeating them?

Russia hasn't mobilized. So yes it's showing poorly on the battlefield, but that's in part because Putin is still trying to pretend to the Russian people (uselessly I think) that the war in Ukraine is a limited operation. It still has deeper resources than Ukraine.

So Ukraine isn't going to "soundly defeat" Russia in total. It is, however, able to continue to inflict pain and destruction on Russian forces in Ukraine, ratcheting up the misery index until some kind of peace settlement is acceptable.

As for guarantees? I dunno, I'm just an armchair diplomat, I would guess that guarantees from Russia aren't worth much in the long run, so how about the EU step up and admit Ukraine to the EU and then stage some its vaunted EuroArmy in Ukraine, eh?

And in the short run, letting Ukraine start to recover is key. Oh, and if you think the war has been costly, rebuilding will be insanely expensive -- and the US can't afford it. This is not 1945 when the US was at the peak of power and could afford to rebuild Western Europe and Japan while arming up to hold the Soviets at bay. Nah, the US today is now $31 USD TRILLION in debt thanks to unrestrained spending by both parties. Oh, and the US military is busy destroying itself via senior officers vying for political favor and adopting wokist ideology, like the US Marine Corps announcing its intent to get rid of "Sir" and "Ma'am" so as not to misgender Drill Instructors…

And can the US stay the course there? I'd like to think so, but to your point when Obama was Pres he couldn't be bothered with pushing back on Putin's aggressions in Georgia and Ukraine. Can it be bipartisan -- maybe if an accountability regime is put in place, since many people do not support continued blank checks to Ukraine with zero accountability -- so much fraud and theft happening, FTX was the tip of the iceberg.

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP25 Dec 2022 9:07 p.m. PST

I agree with most of what you wrote. My concern is that Ukraine will gain a peace treaty that th Russians will violate the second they feel they've rebuilt enough to win a ground war. Even without admitting Ukraine to the EU, a European force stationed in Ukraine could be a sufficient deterrent.

As for the corruption, yeah, something has to be done both at home and overseas. Keeping up like we are now is simply not possible.

Striker26 Dec 2022 3:01 p.m. PST

+1 SB.

nsolomon9926 Dec 2022 3:54 p.m. PST

Referring to the original post …

IMHO I think that he, The Moldovan Intelligence Chief referenced, is right to be alert and aware but I submit that Russia doesn't really have much of an army left anymore and I deeply doubt they'll want to open yet another front.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP26 Dec 2022 4:06 p.m. PST



mjkerner27 Dec 2022 10:02 a.m. PST

Jesus SBminisguy, can't take a fekking joke? Untwist your panties once in a while.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2022 12:42 p.m. PST

I hate when that happens ! 😯🩲

SBminisguy27 Dec 2022 4:12 p.m. PST

Jesus SBminisguy, can't take a fekking joke? Untwist your panties once in a while.

I got the reference, but are done joking around about this war yet?

1. The US alone has spent over $100 USD BILLION on this war -- that's $100 USD Billion we can't spend on US border security, or infrastructure and energy, or education, or the space program, etc.

2. That $100 USD+ Billion has been spent with almost zero oversight, and untold billions of $$$ have been skimmed off by grifters and war profiteers like we saw with FTX, or weapons being resold outside Ukraine, etc.

3.The war has also cost at least 250,000 military and civilian casualties and inflicted brutalities not seen since WW2.

4. The war has crushed the international energy market, as well as the markets for common fertilizers and cause other major economic disruptions and ecological disruptions.

5. We're skating on the thin ice of escalation -- the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline (possibly by the US as Biden had foreshadowed in a press interview) was an economic and ecologic disaster. The US is sending Patriot batteries that *must* be manned by US troops because it will take too long to train Ukrainians, all accompanied by chest thumping macho talk from Biden and leading members of the Democrat and Republican parties.

6. Absolutist macho talk is also pushing Putin into a new Axis led by China. What a winning diplomatic strategy! I don't see responsible leaders calling for de-escalation and peace talks. Do you?

So yeah, not seeing a lot of humor in this subject lately…

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