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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Dec 2022 4:35 p.m. PST

"German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht called an emergency meeting with her generals on Monday to discuss the latest crisis to befall Germany's beleaguered military: broken tanks.

The emergency meeting follows the leak of an email from a senior commander to the head of the Bundeswehr armed forces, in which he laments the sorry state of his division's infantry fighting vehicles…"

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Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP19 Dec 2022 7:30 p.m. PST

No need to spend 2% on defense. Trump was an alarmist. Russia only wants peace.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Thresher0119 Dec 2022 7:48 p.m. PST

There are consequences to unilateral disarmament.

Germany has apparently once again said that it may NOT meet its obligations and goals for increasing defense spending.

I suspect the Germans better hope the Poles hold the line if Putin makes other plans, and/or the Russians don't opt for an amphibious invasion from Kaliningrad.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP19 Dec 2022 9:33 p.m. PST

Bunkermiester +1

Thresher +1

Zephyr119 Dec 2022 10:07 p.m. PST

It's hilarious that the WW2 tanks the German gov't seized from the old guy who secretly collected them are in better running condition than theirs. And that they might need to use them… ;-)

Arjuna19 Dec 2022 10:49 p.m. PST

German here.

To put it simply, it's a desaster, no doubt about it.
I think I remember somebody on TMP 10, 15 years ago saying that the Luxembourg army, if they wanted to, could be in Berlin in three days.
So nothing new here.
Surrounded by buffer states, the once mighty Bundeswehr is a thing of the past and demographics do not point to an imminent revitalization of the country.

The current disaster has only lasted ten months, and others are paying the blood toll.
One can hardly expect a government that, just like its predecessors in the last twenty years, was elected by the people to distribute export profits in peacetime and to keep this situation stable, to make any substantial changes fast.

One can actually only be grateful for Russian incompetence and corruption.
Next to that, you don't look quite so miserable.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa20 Dec 2022 12:23 a.m. PST

I think they might still be ahead on points compared to the UK deployment of Ajax…

From what I've seen the problem with the Bundeswehr isn't so much the amount of money spent but what they spend it on (sustaining a lot of older kit) and an insane budgeting / procurement system.

Thresher0120 Dec 2022 12:57 a.m. PST

Arjuna, did they ever get their rifles fixed.

Last I recall, those didn't work either?

I am/was under the impression that most of German defense spending went to salaries, and NOT equipment. Not sure if that is true, but that is what I read.

Arjuna20 Dec 2022 2:48 a.m. PST

did they ever get their rifles fixed

The G36, the fantastic assault rifle for peacetime peacekeeping missions with these, a bit annoying, weaknesses due to cheap components made of heat-sensitive plastic for which HK decided because the financially bled procurement office of the Bundeswehr did not provide a specification?
Now that the legal disputes with the competitor Haniel have been decided by the courts in favour to HK?
Don't think a Russian invasion of a neighbouring country was a significant factor in the decision.
So, maybe next time.

So yes, sure, they will replace it with the equally fantastic HK416 A8 somewhere in the future.

Until then?
I don't know, cool pads, stricter fire disciplin?
Is there any war planned?

German defense spending went to salaries, and NOT equipment

I know you're just kidding.
Of course not on equipement.
On salaries?
Depends, you don't get rich in the Bundeswehr.
And don't forget, the reputation of the Bundeswehr among the German population was very low until the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
As a U.S. citizen, you probably can't imagine how little the German population cares about.
So no incentive there.
Still a lot of people in defense industry did make money.
But not by a long shot, as in the good old days of Cold War glory.

Come on, you guys over the pond probabyly know better of money grabbing politics in military industrial complex than anybody else.
And you have fought several wars since the end of the Cold War.
The Germans?

And by the way, would anyone really have wanted a militarily more robust Germany in Europe?
The British?
The Poles?

dapeters20 Dec 2022 1:58 p.m. PST

Ye the other shoe.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Dec 2022 2:51 p.m. PST



Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Dec 2022 9:37 p.m. PST

Heckler & Koch HK416 A8 confirmed as new assault rifle for German army



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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP25 Dec 2022 2:09 p.m. PST

Too bad the "vaunted" German Military is not what it used to be …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Jan 2023 10:08 p.m. PST

Why the Leopard 2 Is Such a Badass Tank



Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP29 Jan 2023 4:21 p.m. PST

From everything I've read, etc. she is a real Bad Bleeped text.

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