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GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP23 Nov 2022 8:02 p.m. PST

Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" …

YouTube link

raylev323 Nov 2022 9:03 p.m. PST

Damn…beat me to it. It doesn't show a lot about the movie but lots of action sequences. If you know about Waterloo, you'll recognize some of what' going on.

BillyNM23 Nov 2022 10:36 p.m. PST

Aside from the opening sequence of Napoleon paddling in the sea, everything was a clip from the films Waterloo and The Duellists. December is clearly NOT 2022.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 2:49 a.m. PST

Yep, the summary also says it includes film from "Exile". ; )

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 3:08 a.m. PST

A bit of a disappointment. As has been said, a mash up from other films, albeit good ones. I thought the Ridley Scott film was about Napoleon's rise to power from commander in Italy to First Consul and not his whole life? Either way, it looks like we still have to wait a bit.

Redcurrant24 Nov 2022 3:12 a.m. PST

I am looking forward to seeing this movie, but the clips shown are many, many years old, apart from Napoleon on the beach.

I think it will be best seen on a large screen.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 3:34 a.m. PST

Bleh. Movies have gotten this far before without ever being finished. If "Exile" provided the wading scenes, every bit of film in that trailer was from another movie. They're talking about "six major battle sequences" but I can't find any reference to any of them actually being filmed, or what they used or planned to use for soldiers.

End of next year, maybe? More likely, someone pulls the plug, we get a few leaked scenes--probably from the coronation--and endless years of TMP posts telling us how great it would have been. Think Orson Welles' last years.

Von Trinkenessen24 Nov 2022 4:26 a.m. PST

You still can't beat Abel Gance's Napoleon for the early life. I was at the premiere in Leicester square for the reconstructed film in the early 1980's. Live orchestra conducted by Carl Davis.
Sat two rows in front of the entire Monty Python team amongst loads of film and tv people.

Mr Elmo24 Nov 2022 5:22 a.m. PST

I have problems with this: I didn't see any people of color.

advocate24 Nov 2022 5:31 a.m. PST

Why would you even say that, Elmo?

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 6:52 a.m. PST

Because it's 2022, advocate. Remember the carping over Dunkirk?

In this instance Josephine, being a creole, must be played by a person of color who identifies as a woman, General Dumas must be present in every headquarters scene--and must always be right--and all battle sequences must include either the Pioniers Noire or whatever number infantry regiment they were in Neapolitan service.

Did I miss anything?

JMcCarroll24 Nov 2022 7:24 a.m. PST

Mr Elmo spot on!

Duc de Brouilly24 Nov 2022 8:12 a.m. PST

I realise that Robert P is speaking in jest (Mr Elmo too I suspect) but, of course, as far as Josephine is concerned, 'Creole' is used in the sense of being a French settler in the West Indies, not a person of colour or of mixed race. An understandable mistake, perhaps.

42flanker24 Nov 2022 8:36 a.m. PST

"Mamelooks. Thousands of them!"

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 8:45 a.m. PST

There were a couple of scenes from the Duel as well. Many of the battle scenes appear very similar to Waterloo as well.

enfant perdus24 Nov 2022 10:42 a.m. PST

You guys realize this isn't an official trailer right? That the film is still in production? This is just some YouTuber stringing together old clips in order to get views and likes.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 10:54 a.m. PST

I think l'enfant perdu or les enfants perdus has it right, but that's probably enough French grammar for today.

Mr Elmo24 Nov 2022 11:03 a.m. PST

Josephine, being a creole, must be played by a person of color

I will be hoping for Zendaya💕. Angela Bassett did voodoo quite well in AHS

marmont1814 Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 12:31 p.m. PST

creole is someone born in the caribbean of european heritage, or latterly of mixed heritge European and African, so colour isnt an issue a good actress is

14Bore24 Nov 2022 2:56 p.m. PST

End British squares and French cavalry looks to be from Waterloo movie, just watched it this summer.

dantheman Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 6:28 p.m. PST

As a wargamer I am hoping for the best. Media and film often influence the imagination of kids. We need a good film to rekindle a younger crowd.

Ridley Scott makes good historical dramas, but his most recent ones haven't done well.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2022 6:31 p.m. PST

Thanks, Enfants. How do I tell an official trailer, by the way?

But yes, I understand at least some of the subtleties of "creole." (I also understand some of the racial games played. See for instance Hannibal and Cleopatra, who were every bit as African as any Boer farmer.)

But there's an old song called "Josephine" playing on that ambiguity. Anyone else remember? Only the third time Youtube has failed me. Female singer, I think black. Something about "undulating hips?"

enfant perdus25 Nov 2022 6:18 a.m. PST

The obvious way is to see if the YT channel is either the studio's or an industry site like Rotten Tomatoes, KinoCheck, etc. Also, look for "official trailer"; there are legal consequences for misrepresenting that.

In the trailer itself, the lack of an MPAA rating thingy is usually a giveaway, as are the title cards for the five to ten different production companies involved in the film.

In this specific case, the alarm bells should have been that Ridley Scott (or any serious director) would never, ever, ever, ever, ever use footage from someone else's movie. Ever. The days of war movies reusing stock footage and archival combat footage died with disco.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP25 Nov 2022 8:25 a.m. PST

Disco's dead? Why don't people tell me these things?

The "serious director" thing is also unfamiliar. The more I see of modern movie-making, the more I think they're all kidding.

ConnaughtRanger25 Nov 2022 10:52 a.m. PST

"HEART 70s" permanently on the car audio – Disco's not dead in this house.
Scott always makes great looking films but he'll never please (at least) half the people on this forum. I can forgive him almost anything for "The Duellists".

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP25 Nov 2022 12:28 p.m. PST

I enjoyed The Duellists, and I was impressed by Blade Runner. But I find myself remembering that "when old directors die, they become cameramen."

Remember Barry Lyndon? Nice source of clips, but not a movie. If we get a Scott Napoleon--no bets--that's about what I'd expect.

And you can't threaten a man with the death of disco who is still mourning the breakup of the Kingston Trio and the Limeliters.

enfant perdus25 Nov 2022 2:44 p.m. PST

1. Your interpretations of "died with disco" are too literal. Of course people still enjoy it. My point (remember the context) is that, just as the music industry essentially stopped producing disco records in '79, so too did war movies stop reusing footage.

2. I think The Duellists is overrated, mainly due to Keitel and Carradine being mediocre actors at best. I would recommend checking out another early work by Scott, called Alien.

3. Barry Lyndon is a masterpiece, and I don't even like Kubrick that much.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP25 Nov 2022 10:26 p.m. PST

Very disappointing.

42flanker26 Nov 2022 1:10 p.m. PST

@ enfants perdus "Your interpretations of "died with disco" are too literal"

Actually, I think it's possible that your interpretation of his interpretations of "died with disco" were too literal. Actually.

ConnaughtRanger26 Nov 2022 1:51 p.m. PST

"Keitel and Carradine being mediocre actors at best." Unfortunately, for a "British" film to get funding, you need American "stars" – even if they couldn't act their way out of a paper bag.

Zephyr126 Nov 2022 4:09 p.m. PST

"Did I miss anything?"

Napoleon dining with his Time Bandits generals. That alone checks off quite a few "diversity" boxes… ;-)

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2022 12:15 p.m. PST

Apparently, Ridley Scott wanted Micheal York and Oliver Reed for the leads in the Duellists. I still think that it is a great film as is but that casting would have added a lot more.

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