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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian22 Sep 2022 5:27 p.m. PST

Which battle involving the U.S. Marines makes the best miniature wargaming scenario?

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2022 6:05 p.m. PST

I would suggest the various actions on Guadalcanal.

Jim

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2022 6:06 p.m. PST

ColCampbell+1

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian22 Sep 2022 6:10 p.m. PST

Korea

pmwalt22 Sep 2022 6:21 p.m. PST

Guadalcanal … then Peleliu

microgeorge Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2022 7:00 p.m. PST

Edson's Ridge, Guadacanal.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian22 Sep 2022 7:36 p.m. PST

A bit more specific, gentlemen.

Edson's Ridge is a good example.

FilsduPoitou22 Sep 2022 7:47 p.m. PST

Battle of Derna? 8 marines leading a few hundred Greek mercenaries against corsairs. First battle fought on foreign soil post-independence.

DisasterWargamer22 Sep 2022 7:49 p.m. PST

Battle of Derna on the Shores of Tripoli – "Leathernecks"

Battle of Belleau Wood in France WWI – "Devil Dogs"

If forced to chose smaller actions of Belleau Wood – would do the opening Assault on Hill 142 – or one of several action in the woods or the action across the wheat field

FusilierDan Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 4:13 a.m. PST

Hue
Battle of Cuzco Well

dBerczerk23 Sep 2022 4:25 a.m. PST

Hadley's Hope, site of the terraforming colony, LV-426.

Wackmole923 Sep 2022 6:12 a.m. PST

Bellieu Woods in WW !

rjones6923 Sep 2022 6:26 a.m. PST

Peleliu – The Point
Tarawa – The D+2 Japanese counterattack

Major Mike23 Sep 2022 6:43 a.m. PST

Bull Run July 1861

Grelber23 Sep 2022 9:30 a.m. PST

Harpers Ferry, 1859. You get to have Robert E. Lee and Jeb Stuart in command.

Grelber

Bismarck23 Sep 2022 9:42 a.m. PST

Cape Gloucester…Suicide Creek.
Aogiri Ridge.

Too many from Peleliu and Guadalcanal to choose from.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 10:33 a.m. PST

I like the outcome of "Alligator Creek" at Guadalcanal.

advocate23 Sep 2022 12:02 p.m. PST

No love for the Halls of Montezuma?

Major Mike23 Sep 2022 12:05 p.m. PST

I'll also add the defense of the US Legation, Beijing, 1900

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 12:57 p.m. PST

Guadalcanal

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 1:44 p.m. PST

Grenada
The Burning of the Philadelphia

If it were the Mexican Marines, I'm not sure how to specify several of the engagements with the Zetas … but, that.

pmwalt23 Sep 2022 3:19 p.m. PST

A few more specific USMC battles to consider
Withdrawal from the Chosin Reservoir (Korea)
Battle for Hue City (Vietnam)
Assault into the Meatgrinder (Iwo Jima, WWII)
Battle for Sugar Loaf (Okinawa, WWII)

Wolfhag24 Sep 2022 6:59 a.m. PST

With Tarawa, Okinawa and Peleliu the Japanese units are all going to be hidden in bunkers or caves so not a good fit for miniatures.

Guadalcanal especially the Long Patrol: link

which could be a campaign game as there are many engagements. Alligator Creek is basically a shooting gallery with little maneuver.

Hue would be fun but good luck finding an ONTOS.

Belleau Wood would be good for a campaign game as it's a multiday battle with attacking and defending.

For VN the Hill Fights: PDF link

and Force Recon engagements in I Corps.

Wolfhag

rmaker24 Sep 2022 2:05 p.m. PST

Bladensburg makes a pretty good game.

rjones6925 Sep 2022 7:37 a.m. PST

With Tarawa, Okinawa and Peleliu the Japanese units are all going to be hidden in bunkers or caves so not a good fit for miniatures.

That's not true. The Japanese are hidden until the Americans get close enough to spot them (if the Japanese have been shooting at the Americans, that increases the spotting distance).

Once the Japanese in a bunker are spotted, the top is taken off the bunker, revealing the Japanese miniatures inside. Then the American and Japanese miniatures can engage in close combat (shooting, grenade throwing, flamethrowing, Marine assault into the bunker, Japanese banzai charge out of the bunker, etc.), depending on the tactical choice of the players.

The same applies to Japanese in fighting holes and trenches. Once the Japanese are spotted, the miniatures are out on the table,

Also, some of the engagements at Tarawa and Peleliu involved Japanese counteroffensives (e.g., the D+2 Tarawa assault I mentioned earlier in this thread), which means the Japanese miniatures are out on the table.

Eric Alvarado has run several of his Tarawa and Peleliu scenarios at HMGS conventions using the above-described mechanics, and they work really well.

Blutarski25 Sep 2022 3:48 p.m. PST

The "Sugarloaf", Okinawa.
Sixteen separate USMC assaults were required before the Japanese defenders were finally driven out

A very tough battle.

B

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2022 9:38 a.m. PST

Battle of Peking!

Personal logo Wolfshanza Supporting Member of TMP29 Sep 2022 10:07 p.m. PST

Random bar in Kin 'ville evil grin

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2022 8:30 a.m. PST

Battle of Sacket's Harbor, 1813

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