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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian18 Sep 2022 2:20 p.m. PST

Multiple historical reenactments in New York have been canceled out of fear participants could be thrown in jail for breaking the state's new gun laws…

Fox News: link

Thresher0118 Sep 2022 2:46 p.m. PST

Sickening.

Terrible that some will NOT support our Constitutional Right to "keep and bear" arms, even when they are unloaded, or non-operational, fake replicas.

Can't wait for her new, illegal proclamations to be overturned by the USSC.

torokchar Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2022 5:30 p.m. PST

Thats why I live in Texas – oh wait Benito could be our governor in 4 months…….

Personal logo Murphy Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Sep 2022 6:03 p.m. PST

So far the biggest issue we have had with ACW reenactments is a couple of event directors asked the Confederates not to display or fly Confederate Flags at their ACW reenactments. You can pretty much guess how that went…

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2022 6:15 p.m. PST

Sad news, indeed.

Zephyr118 Sep 2022 9:01 p.m. PST

It's almost like the times the SW Stormtrooper (501st?) cosplayers weren't allowed to carry around thir blasters during parades…

I predict the silliness will eventually extend to movies with guns, where the guns must be digitally removed before the movie can be shown or aired on TV… (eye-roll emoticon)

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2022 9:34 p.m. PST

"I predict the silliness will eventually extend to movies with guns, where the guns must be digitally removed before the movie can be shown or aired on TV…"

Well…..Spielberg did remove the guns from the government agents in ET.

Choctaw19 Sep 2022 7:54 a.m. PST

Thats why I live in Texas oh wait Benito could be our governor in 4 months……

As a fellow Texan I hope not. Francis is as Hispanic as my scruffy terrier. As long as the buses keep rolling I'll side with Abbott.

Cerdic19 Sep 2022 8:37 a.m. PST

Historical re-enactments? Seriously?

Even with our extremely strict gun laws in Britain we still have loads of re-enactments…

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2022 10:08 a.m. PST

Cripes! you can always count on NY and California to extend the limits of insanity.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2022 10:12 p.m. PST

A few County Sheriffs and others wanting to make a political point. Fox news is not the most reliable source.

…in a statement received by USA TODAY Network New York Tuesday, Hochul's office said the law, which went into effect Sept. 1, does not forbid reenactments.

"These laws allow historical re-enactments to occur," the statement read, "and we will work with legislators and local law enforcement to ensure these events can legally and safely proceed."

link

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian21 Sep 2022 4:11 a.m. PST

Fox news is not the most reliable source.

Actually, Hochul was quoted in the Fox News article. grin

The problem is that if the law says you can't take guns into parks, then it doesn't really matter what the governor thinks, does it?

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Sep 2022 7:20 a.m. PST

Germany has pretty strict gun laws and allows for reenactments. I do not know the precise workding of the law, but I assume that somebody deliberately misinterprets the law to make a political point.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2022 12:58 p.m. PST

If you read OC's link, there is no reenactment exception in the law, which is why they're talking about another law, not yet written, let alone passed, which would permit such. And at least one of the counties involved consulted with attorneys who told them the same thing.

Would you rather the sheriffs obeyed the law as written, or simply did whatever the Governor announced the law was in a press conference? (And would the Governor's word be a valid defense if the sheriff were sued later?)

OC, this is not the forum, but since you insist on ad hominem arguments, would you care to debate the relative accuracy of Fox News, the New York Times and the Washington Post? No single news source is absolutely reliable. Always get multiple reports, and see what they cite as sources. (Zero points for any source "speaking on condition of anonymity." I can buy my own Ouija board and magic 8-ball.)

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2022 7:38 p.m. PST

Not a well written law, apparently. But this is more of a technicality with an unintended consequence. The intent of the law was very obviously not to stop reenactments. Are we supposed to believe Fox does not get this?

The letter of the law is not always enforced in some situations. Cops do not stop everyone going 68 on the highway. If they did they would not get the guy doing 90 putting everyone in danger. The intent of the law is to keep everyone safe.

There is no doubt in most peoples minds, including Fox, what NY actually intended with this law. The state could issue enforcement guidelines for now until they fix this, but the reality is:

No cops are gonna arrest historical reenactors using this law. There is more than enough actual bad guy stuff going on to handle without getting down in the political weeds over this and making work for themselves. And they have all heard the Guv.

Fox makes big bucks on tabloid outrage like this. This is not about relative accuracy. There was minimal intent to inform, it's just politics.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 8:28 a.m. PST

So, let me get this straight, Tortella: police never rummage through the law codes looking for something they can arrest someone for? Or to make trouble for some group they're not in sympathy with?

And if a law has what appear to be--or are claimed to be--unintended consequences, everyone should just (a) ignore that part of the law, and (b) certainly never embarrass the people who wrote the bill and signed the law by bringing up the issue in public?

And does this standard also apply to MSN, the New York Times or the Jurassic networks when Republicans pass and sign anti-abortion or anti-illegal immigrant legislation?

Don't adopt a standard which doesn't apply to your friends and expect anyone else to take it seriously.

COL Scott ret27 Sep 2022 10:11 p.m. PST

Oh and for those who track US Constitutional issues, yes they have arrested multiple people who were transitioning the NY Port Authority with delayed flights when a legally shipped firearm was in their luggage.

So while most law enforcement are level headed realists there are some who want to make political theatre.

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