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Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2022 10:17 a.m. PST

Yesterday I was browsing through the model section of the local Hobby Lobby and spotted a kit for building the Death Star II and the Executor Super Star Destroyer. And then I spotted the scale designation and nearly burst out laughing.

Clearly, I have been gaming in the wrong scale. laugh

Personal logo D6 Junkie Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2022 11:06 a.m. PST

oh My!

BattlerBritain18 Sep 2022 12:07 p.m. PST

Can you get it in 15mm?

JMcCarroll18 Sep 2022 12:54 p.m. PST

D6 Junkie were taking Star Wars, Not Star Trek :)

DyeHard18 Sep 2022 5:25 p.m. PST

According to:

Death Star II | Wookieepedia – Fandom
› Death_Star_II › Legends

Death Start II is just 200 km = 20,000,000 cm 2.0 x10^7 cm and if 1/2700,000,000 = 1/2.7x10^9
So, at that scale it would be just 0.0074 cm across, not even that visible. That is the diameter of a typical human hair.

Now, Neptune's orbit is 4.50 billion km = 4.5x10^14 cm so that would be 1.6 km (3.2 km for diameter).
Now Neptune it self is like 49,200 km across so 1.8cm.
And the Sun 1380000 km so is a whopping 51 cm.

Not a bad scale for space game if you do not mind a good hike.

P.S. The Death Star II would be just 2 km across for 15mm.
The height might be a challenge.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2022 9:00 p.m. PST

Oops. A few too many 0s. My bad.
Make that 1/2700000.
(The lack of commas threw me off.)

Finding the set online, it's also clear that the Star Destroyer is not the same scale as the DS2.


Augustus19 Sep 2022 1:28 p.m. PST

Star wars ships ate so laughably out of reality as to be just nothing but funny. Same with most scifi.

I wish this shows and genre's would at least try to be realistic.

A star destroyer should need high speed rail to travel side to the other.

Zephyr119 Sep 2022 2:24 p.m. PST

It's a ripoff. Death Star II was never fully completed, so you only get an incomplete model, not a full Death Star… ;-)

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2022 6:07 p.m. PST

If an X-wing (13.4 meters) is 1cm— probably the smallest you can go and still see that it's an X-wing— then a Star Destroyer (1,600 meters) would be 1.2 meters long.
The Star Dreadnought Executor (19,000 meters) would be 14 meters long (!), the original Death Star (diameter 160,000 meters) would be approx 120 meters in diameter.
The Death Star II doesn't seem to have a consistent size— it's been claimed to be as large as 900,0000 meters in diameter and as not-so-large as 190,000 meters— so in our X-wing=1 cm, scale, anywhere from 142 meters to 672 meters.

There just isn't any reasonable way to have an X-wing on the tabletop with a mobile capital ship in a Star Wars game, at least with any sort of shared scale. The capital ship could essentially be a very large piece of terrain, but once you get even a Star Destroyer down to a playable scale, the X-wing (and the TIEs) have become glorified dots.

Sargonarhes24 Sep 2022 4:39 a.m. PST

At those scales you may as well be playing a battle at the fleet level, moving groups of ships by squadrons. Every ship would have to stand in for a group of a given number of ships, fighters would be entire squadrons as well. It would be like playing the battle for Sol from the Second Stage Lensman book.

LOL, the death star countered by a sun beam weapon.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa26 Sep 2022 7:50 a.m. PST

Well, the other option would be to dump a null matter planet out of hyerspatial tube right on top of it!

The space battles in the Lensman series do rather make pretty much every battle in Star Wars look like a very minor skirmish!

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