"Avoid China War at All Costs? No..." Topic

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Should The U.S. Avoid War Against China At All Cost?

68% said "no, the US should not avoid war with China at all cost"
11% said "yes, the US should avoid war with China at all cost"

I guess the real question is what CCP action would be severe enough to get the U.S.to engage? Invading Taiwan? I don't think the present administration would take any direct military action should that occur. I wish I was wrong.

If it leads to tossing around WMDs … it will be a bad thing … very bad …

indeed Legion4!
"…at all cost." so 68% are willing to toss around nuclear weapons it seems.

It won't be full nukes. If you think the computer chip shortages now are a problem, just wait until a few EMPs get tossed around. Say goodbye to consumer electronics for a decade, and likely worldwide….

Say goodbye to consumer electronics

It will be worse than that. Think electrical power generation, vehicles with electrical ignition systems, water pumping stations that use electrical pumps…now you're on the right track.

"At all costs" means more or less unconditional surrender. So if you want to avoid a war at all costs just surrender totally.

Some things are worth fighting for, so avoid war up to a certain point. After that point fight.

This question intrigued me, as it does come down to WMDs in the end. The current POTUS has let slip at least once the intended reaction to a Chinese invasion. Clearly there are always contingency plans. For the moment we strengthen Taiwan, make the cost of invasion too high. It's already an insanely risky proposition for China, which is having major internal problems and has an untested conventional military.

In conventional terms, we always have a lot of levels of response planned. Cutting Chinas Middle East oil supply crossing the Indian Ocean, for example. Scenarios for the navy battle groups and submarines.

China and India just got through telling Putin what they thought of the war in Ukraine. China doesn't seem very likely to push the world to the brink. Or are they? It's a brutally tense diplomatic game to play.

What would your answer be after the U.S. gets it's own computer chip manufacturing going 100% ?

so 68% are willing to toss around nuclear weapons it seems.

I said, if … as we see there are other non-nuke, etc. ways to deal with the PRC/CCP. But what will they do, i.e. Xi & the CCP ?

So if the US and China go at it, will it stop short of nuclear waepons?
As it stands right now I think we'd get the upper hand in a conventional conflict – but China is absolutely not, ever, going to be humiliated again in a war. Never again. I think they've made that pretty plain, so then what?

JMcCarroll, you are right, the big plant in Arizona is more than half done, 3 others building, I think, and we are securing raw materials. It will change a lot of things in ways we don't see right now, IMO.

So if the US and China go at it, will it stop short of nuclear waepons?

Only Xi knows …

As it stands right now I think we'd get the upper hand in a conventional conflict –

Naval and Air … most likely … But a land war in China ? Big place with 20% of the world's population.

but China is absolutely not, ever, going to be humiliated again in a war. Never again. I think they've made that pretty plain, so then what?

Yes that seems to be clear. So, we have to be careful dealing with them. It starts with strong capable leadership.

"What would your answer be after the U.S. gets it's own computer chip manufacturing going 100% ?"

I would hope the facilities are EMP resistant. You need working chips to build more working chips… ;-)

All this talk of EMPs. At the moment they are not even a viable weapon in such a war. We all have the technology but there's no mass delivery system (regardless of some reports). And if any (EMP carrying) cruise missiles did start coming over, well, we're going nuclear.

@microgeorge.

Really?

Think again

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Looks like some in Congress want to increase training Taiwan now … I say go it before it's too late.

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