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14Bore25 Aug 2022 12:25 p.m. PST

Scale 15mm-18mm, Empire basing, 1=60 ratio
Started around Aug 1980, built on Alexander Mikaberidze's oob
Though listed as 82,400 438 guns have 1580 inf and cavalry figures and 438 artilleryman.
Empire uses a artilleryman to represent a piece, how many actual cannon models varies but except a couple batteries
have 4 models so can split a battery as the 1st Position
btry and 4th Light find themselves in here.


Grenadiers and Musketeers are in columns, Cavalry and Jagers in line
Only substitutions are the Seversk Chasseur Regt was a early cavalry unit of mine and is taking place or Irkutsk Dragoons, and the Tartar Uhlans are split into the two Tartar Cossacks until I find figures for them.
Actually some not obviously listed, the Ingermanland Dragoons ( I have 4 fig) had police duty,
II inf corp , 4th Div had 2 battalions of Moscow Militia,
VI inf Corp muskets 24th Div had 2 battalions of Moscow Militia
IV inf corp, 23rd Div had 2 foot Cossack battalions and
2 Cossack foot battalion were listed in III inf corp,  3rd Div
Onto the show


In front of IV Corp is 2nd Reserve Artillery Brigade and in the blue coat and white top hat is Count Pierre Bezukhov


Closest to actual numbers is Guard Corp which had 17,250 and my corp contains 16,140 and 1,012 artilleryman is pretty close, worse is III corp that had 10,800 and my corp has 16,980 plus 280 artilleryman.


2 Tartar Cossack regiments are stand in from the split Tartar Uhlans until figures can be obtained but my cossacks are way over represented by 1400 men

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP25 Aug 2022 12:29 p.m. PST

Quite a collection.

14Bore25 Aug 2022 12:35 p.m. PST

Side view of every unit


Lets party with Cossacks Supporting Member of TMP25 Aug 2022 1:17 p.m. PST

A testament to dedication and skill. Unlike the Stalin aphorism 'quantity has its own quality' this collection has both.

Terrific to see the whole collection out. For me the artillery park is the pick. From memory it's work in progress was shown in earlier posts and is well worth a look.

Congratulations and thanks for showing us the full splendor!

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP25 Aug 2022 1:58 p.m. PST

Wow! What a labor of love.


Rosenberg25 Aug 2022 11:03 p.m. PST

Great. I have VII Corps 2nd Grenadier Div IV Cavalry Corps and a few cossacks and a 6 x 4 table so its enough!

Rosenberg25 Aug 2022 11:05 p.m. PST

You can cause havoc with Cossacks if you use them right!

Shardik25 Aug 2022 11:58 p.m. PST

I started my 1812 collection in 1980 as well, while in my last year of school!
25mm Minifigs, I got as far as one unit of Old Guard and one of Russian grenadiers. Didn't start again for about 30 years!

14Bore27 Aug 2022 5:05 p.m. PST

Just realized I retook the VI Corp as forgot to turn its tag around after side picture but used first picture.

14Bore28 Aug 2022 3:44 p.m. PST

Having worked on this a long time knew I was overshooting figures, so now the bill.
2nd corp 11,450 men have 15880
4th Div – 135 infantry figures + 560 actual artilleryman (18 Militia present not counted in total)
17th Div – 111 infantry figures +560 actual artilleryman
+73.83 figures
3rd corp 10,800 men have 17,260
Gren Div- 141 figures
3rd Div 142 figures +280 actual artilleryman (17 Militia figures not in account)
+107.66 figures
IV corp. 12000men have 13,020
11 Div – 133 figures +320 actual artilleryman
23 Div – 84 figures +160 artilleryman (17 Militia figures not in account)
V corp. 17,250 men have 17,152
Gd div – 209 + 800 artilleryman
Gd cav – 60 +212 artilleryman
VI Corp 12,500 men have 16,960
7th Div 134 + 560 artilleryman
23rd Div 130+ 560 artilleryman (18 Militia figures not in account)
In Alexander Mikaberidze's oob he only gives squadrons and guns
1CC – 67 + 160 artilleryman
2CC – 44 +160 artilleryman
3CC – 72 +160 artilleryman
Equals 183 figures

Cossacks- 118 5,600 men have 7,240 with artilleryman
Res Artilleryman equates to 1600 men

71,200 of 82,400 so far missing 11,200 men

186.66 cavalry figures? Have 183 figures + 480 artilleryman = 11,460

There is my analysis comparing my paper strength numbers to actual numbers at Borodino

Rosenberg02 Sep 2022 11:15 p.m. PST

Your Inf columns have a frontage of three figs?

14Bore05 Sep 2022 2:26 a.m. PST

A company in Empire can be 2 or more figures, a battalion in usually around 12 and as I have analyzing Borodino Russian battalions, other than the guard were quite down in numbers.

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