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KeepYourPowderDry16 Aug 2022 12:13 a.m. PST

Discovered some more references for coat colours, so there are updates on the following coat colours posts:

Cornish Foot link

Bristol Trained Bands link

And an update on the NMA and Parliamentarian RoH link

Timbo W16 Aug 2022 8:28 a.m. PST

I like the Sourton Down reference Mike. Never seen this one before. Very interesting as it likely refers to the 'famous five' Cornish rgts. Downside is that it possibly means officers' coats??

I've heard it proposed that the 5 Cornish rgts were likely un-uniformed and distinguished by ribbons.

Even so, very interesting!

KeepYourPowderDry16 Aug 2022 11:20 a.m. PST

Hi Tim, my reading of both references is that they are for common soldiers, certainly the deserters reference is "pressed men". The looting of a number of red coats, significant enough to be recorded would strongly suggest that it wasn't just one or two. Looking at why certain items get recorded (numbers of drums, ensigns, unusual but significant items etc) it is suggestive that this is a trophy number of coats rather than just the personal baggage of a few officers.

I know the reference for ribbons – Devon Royalists! ;-)
Certainly that is Peachey and Turton's interpretation in the Fall of The West, although they were mainly looking at Parliamentarian troops. They describe a number of variants of troop types, most of whom serve for a few days or weeks. They also describe some units prone to mass desertions.

There are a number of references to colonels being unwilling to equip men with clothing if they felt they were likely to desert (I'm currently thinking of the LTB auxiliaries before they were amalgamated in Abingdon, and Major-General Richard Browne's discourse with the Committee of Both Kingdoms), so ribbons makes a great deal of sense. For the longer serving volunteer (and pressed) regiments that are campaigning then clothing issues are pretty much a given – Clarendon quotes a description of the Royalists after Lostwithiel and how they were so badly clothed that the Devon commissioners quickly raised £2,000.00 GBP for the horse, 3000 suits of clothes (including shoes and stockings) for the foot.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP16 Aug 2022 11:30 a.m. PST

Thanks for the insights on the "good guys." Just finished reading the Helion book on Hopton's armies and was looking at my blue paints. Perhaps look at reds instead.
(I prefer blue however). Can't get excited about the B & W striped pikestaffs as the old hand isn't very stable these days.

Timbo W16 Aug 2022 12:01 p.m. PST

Just a quick comment, re Sourton Down it was a couple of the Cornish rgts that panicked iirc, can't remember which offhand, Trevannion's and another? Therefore more likely to be or contain the red coats?

Shagnasty, someone put good advice on Tmp re Austrian stripy flagpoles. If you're having trouble don't try doing spirals, just diagonals from one side, then more or less match on the other side, at table distance they will look right.

KeepYourPowderDry16 Aug 2022 12:03 p.m. PST

Nothing is definitive Shagnasty – your toys, you can paint them however you so desire.

Striped musket rests and pikes? Masking tape is your friend here I imagine. Or decal paper perhaps? Now you've really got me thinking…

KeepYourPowderDry16 Aug 2022 12:07 p.m. PST

Was it Grenville and Lord Mohun's? Can't remember – got those two in my head for some reason. Occam's Razor would certainly suggest that panicked soldiers might be a more likely source

Timbo W16 Aug 2022 2:21 p.m. PST

Ah, here's the one on Austrian stripy poles TMP link

Timbo W17 Aug 2022 8:50 a.m. PST

Thanks for updating the wiki KYPD 👍

KeepYourPowderDry17 Aug 2022 9:49 a.m. PST

A pleasure Tim. Yes, it is a bit of a broadsweep 'possibly red' added to the 5+1, but wasn't sure how else to do it.

Timbo W17 Aug 2022 2:27 p.m. PST

Looks good to me!

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