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Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP12 Aug 2022 2:13 p.m. PST

The "Tarzan Fresco" from the palace of Pylos in Greece shows a fight between the locals (clean cut, uniformed, and well equipped) and some presumably barbarian attackers in Fred Flintstone furs.


I'm wondering about this as a skirmish game. Does anybody make fur clad barbarians like these in 28 mm? Of somewhat less importance, does anybody make Greek light infantry like the kilted warriors here? I don't know of any, and had planned to use normal Mycenaean javelinmen, but this might provide an excuse for buying additional figures (just because I'm several thousand figures behind in my painting doesn't mean I shouldn't buy more!).

Trojan War Greeks are often shown wearing something that resembles a diaper. I think it looks awful, but I thought I should try to put a name to it, look it up, and see if there is any excuse for it.

Warlord makes some nice-looking Trojan War figures, including javelinmen. Does anyone know if these fit in well with the Foundry, Redoubt, or Old Glory Mycenaean figures?

No idea why, but this fresco is somehow rather inspiring, in a "must-run-out-and-buy-some" sort of manner.

With temperatures high here, maybe my brain is slightly cooked

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP12 Aug 2022 3:52 p.m. PST

Wrt the "diaper" …look up "how to gird your loins"

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP12 Aug 2022 3:54 p.m. PST

"Gird Up Your Loins: An Illustrated Guide | The Art of Manliness" link

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP12 Aug 2022 4:23 p.m. PST

The "fur" clad guys could possibly be done with Lybians, just painted with European flesh. I think Mycenaean javelinmen is definitely what you would want for the good guys.

Stryderg12 Aug 2022 4:32 p.m. PST

@Dave Jackson
That is a pretty cool site, thanks.

Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP12 Aug 2022 4:35 p.m. PST

Thanks, Dave Jackson, that explains a lot. It also means that whatever pattern or trim the tunic or kilt had would carry over on to the girded loins--it wouldn't necessarily be plain, boring white like a diaper. Much more interesting for my warriors!


Wackmole912 Aug 2022 6:59 p.m. PST

Could be Dorian Greek Barbarians from the North.

Erzherzog Johann12 Aug 2022 8:50 p.m. PST

"I think Mycenaean javelinmen is definitely what you would want for the good guys."

I thought the Flintstones were the good guys. :~)

GurKhan13 Aug 2022 4:19 a.m. PST

I have seen the suggestion that the lads in the sheepskins were the indigenous Arkadian sheepherders of the central Peloponnese, rather than invaders from elsewhere.

If you can't find anything in 28mm, Chariot Miniatures do the kilted Pylian spearman in 15mm (MYG7 at link ) For the guys in furs/sheepskins, SUA11 Guti link might be usable, and there are also various Sumerian light types like SUA5 in skin kilts who could mix in.

Stalkey and Co Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2022 11:15 a.m. PST

These may work:

Swampster15 Aug 2022 12:17 p.m. PST

" with Lybians, just painted with European flesh"

Going by Egyptian paintings, Libyans can be painted with the same flesh (or even lighter) as these Europeans anyway.
They portrayed the Libyans as lighter than themselves and about the same as Anatolians and various Sea Peoples.

Swampking16 Aug 2022 7:38 a.m. PST

Also, no one really quite knows what historical scene, if any, the 'Battle Fresco' is actually depicting. It might be mythological and/or symbolic, i.e. the Pylians bringing civilization to the barbarians.

However, I believe GurKhan's suggestions are definitely what I would do in 15mm. 28mm is anyone's guess, although I think Foundry had some minis that would work for the Pylians. I guess any Libyan in fur would do the trick for the barbarians.

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